Kindle firmware update 5.13.4 - Page 4

93terp · 12-13-2020, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tomsem

This is the what the option looks like:

Thanks. Helpful to know what to look for.

Paperbackstash · 12-14-2020, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I've only got Home Screen View on my PW3. To get the new options activated, will I have to keep WiFi on?

I left my Wifi on to test since I updated on the Oasis 3, not seeing any changes still with the homepage. Still the same grouping of recommendations.

melksnor · 12-14-2020, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

You don't actually need this and as you don't have it, it's not getting updated.Now you may want it, but please don't be so hostile.

Saying the word "damn" is not hostile.

JSWolf · 12-14-2020, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by melksnor

Saying the word "damn" is not hostile.

Tome it read as hostile. How you use the word damn determines the tone and your tone in that post reads as hostile. It reads like you are angry.

melksnor · 12-14-2020, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Tome it read as hostile. How you use the word damn determines the tone and your tone in that post reads as hostile. It reads like you are angry.

Yeah, I am "toxic", "angry" and "hostile" over the absence of a cosmetic feature. Come on.

And you would rather have me not having the feature because my tone read to you as hostile. That's pretty mean.

With those kinds of comments, who is really being toxic?

tomsem · 12-14-2020, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I've only got Home Screen View on my PW3. To get the new options activated, will I have to keep WiFi on?

No idea. The option was there on my Paperwhite immediately after restart following the update, or at least shortly thereafter.

JSWolf · 12-14-2020, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by melksnor

Yeah, I am "toxic", "angry" and "hostile" over the absence of a cosmetic feature. Come on.

And you would rather have me not having the feature because my tone read to you as hostile. That's pretty mean.

With those kinds of comments, who is really being toxic?

If you had not added in the word damn, we would not be having this discussion. Oh and if having the cover as a sleep image is that important to you, why did you buy a Kindle instead of a Kobo?

melksnor · 12-14-2020, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

If you had not added in the word damn, we would not be having this discussion. Oh and if having the cover as a sleep image is that important to you, why did you buy a Kindle instead of a Kobo?

I'll make sure to check in with you in the future on which words you deem toxic.

I won my PW4 at an amazon event. I bought my kindle 5th gen a long time ago and was able to get it going on there.

gaseous · 12-15-2020, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tomsem

No idea. The option was there on my Paperwhite immediately after restart following the update, or at least shortly thereafter.

Would it be possible that the availability of the series option is connected to either location/which amazon shop (.com/.co.uk/.de/...) we're connected to or wether it's goodreads connected/connectable?

just a thought.

93terp · 12-15-2020, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by binaryhermit

My PW4 the setting actually does something...

I updated and have the Group by Series feature turned on, but it doesn't appear to work on side-loaded books.

JSWolf · 12-15-2020, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 93terp

I updated and have the Group by Series feature turned on, but it doesn't appear to work on side-loaded books.

My guess is that the side loaded books would (at least) need to have the Amazon ASIN.

binaryhermit · 12-15-2020, 10:25 AM

That does seem to be the Amazon way, pulling metadata from Amazon's end rather than respecting metadata on the files themselves, it's almost like they have an incentive to make sideloaded content a second-class citizen.

jhowell · 12-15-2020, 11:19 AM

I have been checking the library view on my Kindle each day since installing 5.13.4 and none of the books were grouped by series even though the "Group Series in Library" option is "On" in settings.

Today there was a popup dialog box announcing the series feature (see screenshot). When I checked my library I found that books are now grouped by series. It appears that the cover of the earliest book in the series that you own is shown as the series cover thumbnail. Opening a series shows the covers of the individual books and sorting options are available by date or item in series (see screenshot).

As a test I tried sideloading a couple of books that I created in calibre with metadata indicating that they were part of a series that I already partially own to see what would happen. After syncing, the Kindle it downloaded the correct cover thumbnails for those books along with other data, such as XRAY. But the library view shows those books as not being in the series with the books that I own. So it seems that series information is only available for books that Amazon knows you possess.

Also, as far as I can tell there is nothing in the Kindle's storage related to series that is accessible via USB. So it seems likely that it will not be possible to manipulate series information or add it for sideloaded books on a non-jailbroken device.

ilovejedd · 12-15-2020, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jhowell

As a test I tried sideloading a couple of books that I created in calibre with metadata indicating that they were part of a series that I already partially own to see what would happen. After syncing, the Kindle it downloaded the correct cover thumbnails for those books along with other data, such as XRAY. But the library view shows those books as not being in the series with the books that I own. So it seems that series information is only available for books that Amazon knows you possess.

Just to confirm, did these sideloaded books have the correct ASIN matching Amazon's? I expect that's why it downloaded covers and XRAY but just wanted to be super clear.

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Originally Posted by jhowell

Also, as far as I can tell there is nothing in the Kindle's storage related to series that is accessible via USB. So it seems likely that it will not be possible to manipulate series information or add it for sideloaded books on a non-jailbroken device.

I expect series information is stored in the same database as collections information.

Anyway, thank you for all the information!

JSWolf · 12-15-2020, 12:02 PM

I'm of the mind that it may not be possible to have Calibre be programed for the new series feature on Kindles.

12-15-2020, 11:19 AM	#58
jhowell Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,162 Karma: 92500001 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Charlottesville, VA Device: Kindles	I have been checking the library view on my Kindle each day since installing 5.13.4 and none of the books were grouped by series even though the "Group Series in Library" option is "On" in settings. Today there was a popup dialog box announcing the series feature (see screenshot). When I checked my library I found that books are now grouped by series. It appears that the cover of the earliest book in the series that you own is shown as the series cover thumbnail. Opening a series shows the covers of the individual books and sorting options are available by date or item in series (see screenshot). As a test I tried sideloading a couple of books that I created in calibre with metadata indicating that they were part of a series that I already partially own to see what would happen. After syncing, the Kindle it downloaded the correct cover thumbnails for those books along with other data, such as XRAY. But the library view shows those books as not being in the series with the books that I own. So it seems that series information is only available for books that Amazon knows you possess. Also, as far as I can tell there is nothing in the Kindle's storage related to series that is accessible via USB. So it seems likely that it will not be possible to manipulate series information or add it for sideloaded books on a non-jailbroken device. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by jhowell; 12-15-2020 at 11:26 AM.

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binaryhermit Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,732 Karma: 20469902 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Lockport, IL Device: Kindle PW4, Kindle Paperwhite Signature Edition	That does seem to be the Amazon way, pulling metadata from Amazon's end rather than respecting metadata on the files themselves, it's almost like they have an incentive to make sideloaded content a second-class citizen.

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