The Kindle line... missing something? - Page 2

DuckieTigger · 11-11-2019, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnyb

This is the device I would buy day one (like I used to with Kindles until they became compromises between usability and Amazon's fantasy of innovation)!
(I wouldn't even need the 32GBs, although I'd probably get them going for the 4G version)

The Voyage was a compromise as well. The bezel with the buttons wasn't wide enough. Maybe you liked it, but I didn't like how careful you have to be how to put your thumb on the button to avoid touching the screen.

SusanReads · 11-11-2019, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

The Voyage was a compromise as well. The bezel with the buttons wasn't wide enough. Maybe you liked it, but I didn't like how careful you have to be how to put your thumb on the button to avoid touching the screen.

This is something I struggle with when I'm holding my Voyage. I can hardly grip the side or I'm pressing the button. So it falls out of my hands a lot (on the couch or on the bed, so no damage, but it's still annoying).

Tomk2 · 11-11-2019, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

The Voyage was a compromise as well. The bezel with the buttons wasn't wide enough. Maybe you liked it, but I didn't like how careful you have to be how to put your thumb on the button to avoid touching the screen.

Yep. It takes practice, and I still get unwanted screen touches. What do they have against bezels that are a full thumb wide?

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ps67 · 11-11-2019, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HLS

I do not see Clara as a low-end device. Its a pretty nice ereader much better than the kindle basic and even better than the paperwhite in quality, clarity and has the comfort light. Both the H2O Edition 2 and the Clara HD is better than Amazons Basic and paperwhite. Just my opinion.

Back on topic: I think they need to get rid of the kindle Basic. I purchased one for the heck of it and I find it rather awful. It goes to sleep while I am using it and drives me nuts. The paperwhite should be entry-level, make Oasis midlevel and come out with an 8" high-end device. The whole line needs an overhaul. I think the oasis needs redesigned especially since other companies are copying the design now.

off topic but I want Apple to make an eink ereader. I bet it will be a beauty if they did

When I bought my first reader I chose the Paperwhite (7th generation, Year 2017) but I don't think that they need to get rid of the kindle Basic. There are many people that need a device as cheap as possible.

cgsmom · 11-11-2019, 12:57 PM

I loved my Voyage until it died. I didn’t want to spend the money on a Forma or Oasis so I tried the PW4. I hated it. The bezels were so small I kept turning pages inadvertently. If the Libre had been available then I probably would have bought it. I bought a Nook Glowlight Plus 7.8. It works fine and I like it. I buy most of my books from Kobo or Christianbook.com now so they will already be in ePub format. I think the Kindle line could use Voyage-like reader in its lineup.

Barty · 11-11-2019, 03:53 PM

Summary of this thread: people like different things, which seems like a good argument for having different product models, which is the point of OP.

JSWolf · 11-11-2019, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ps67

When I bought my first reader I chose the Paperwhite (7th generation, Year 2017) but I don't think that they need to get rid of the kindle Basic. There are many people that need a device as cheap as possible.

Did you read where I put that Kobo has the Aura that is a Kindle Basic killer? Higher resolution, comfortlight. and ePub.

Sirtel · 11-11-2019, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Did you read where I put that Kobo has the Aura that is a Kindle Basic killer? Higher resolution, comfortlight. and ePub.

Yep, but that's not an option for those people who are immured in the Amazon ecosystem and have no idea about DRM, sideloading, Apprentices and all that stuff. Which is actually the majority of Kindle users.

JSWolf · 11-12-2019, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sirtel

Yep, but that's not an option for those people who are immured in the Amazon ecosystem and have no idea about DRM, sideloading, Apprentices and all that stuff. Which is actually the majority of Kindle users.

Keep the whatever Kindle they already have be it a Reader or an app and go for the Kobo. There are lots of people switching to Kobo because the hardware and software is better.

SusanReads · 11-12-2019, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Keep the whatever Kindle they already have be it a Reader or an app and go for the Kobo. There are lots of people switching to Kobo because the hardware and software is better.

Better hardware? No. I still think the Kindle screens are way better than the Kobo screens.

Quoth · 11-12-2019, 08:29 AM

AFAIK it's the SAME supplier & technology. Probably models of the similar period and same size are the same screen.

Actually the IR touch original Kobo Aura H2O is whiter than the PW3 or PW4, though obviously slightly lower resolution as it's the same number of pixels on 6.8" instead of 6"

The Kobo Libra H2O is similar to PW3 and PW4 as it's 300 dpi and capacitive.

The lighting, which is a totally optional feature, is not the screen. It seems to vary slightly between examples of PW2, PW3, PW4 and the various Kobos. Some Kindle PW models are uneven at the bottom and some Kobos may have slight shading at the side margin. Inherently the eink front lighting is poorer than ambient and less even than OLED.

JSWolf · 11-12-2019, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SusanReads

Better hardware? No. I still think the Kindle screens are way better than the Kobo screens.

Sorry, but you are wrong. The Kobo Aura has 1024x786 resolution using a Carta screen with a font light and a comfortlight. The firmware is better and the reading software is better. There is nothing about a Kindle Basic that's better then a Kobo Aura.

I have an original Kobo Aura H2O and it is better then any version Kindle Paperwhite.

ZodWallop · 11-12-2019, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomk2

What do they have against bezels that are a full thumb wide?

The Nook Glowlight 3 has comfortable bezels and was pilloried for it.

ZodWallop · 11-12-2019, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rcentros

Personally I would rather they re-released the Voyage with a comfort light (and probably waterproofing), but I don't see that happening.

That would get me to buy a Kindle. I thought the Voyage was a very pretty reader. The nicest of the Kindles, anyway.

I do have a soft spot for the original Oasis as well, and think it looks nice in its custom case.

JSWolf · 11-12-2019, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ZodWallop

The Nook Glowlight 3 has comfortable bezels and was pilloried for it.

That's because the bezel of the nook Glowlight 3 is an awful mess. It's too wide and that hakes the case for it wider then it should be. Most nooks are a right mess in the design of the hardware and thre software is just rubbish at best.

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11-11-2019, 12:57 PM	#20
cgsmom Addict Posts: 370 Karma: 4000001 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: USA Device: Kindle Colorsoft, Nook GL4+, Nook GL4, Kindle Oasis 3, iPhone 14	I loved my Voyage until it died. I didn’t want to spend the money on a Forma or Oasis so I tried the PW4. I hated it. The bezels were so small I kept turning pages inadvertently. If the Libre had been available then I probably would have bought it. I bought a Nook Glowlight Plus 7.8. It works fine and I like it. I buy most of my books from Kobo or Christianbook.com now so they will already be in ePub format. I think the Kindle line could use Voyage-like reader in its lineup.

11-11-2019, 03:53 PM	#21
Barty doofus Posts: 2,555 Karma: 13089041 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kindle Voyage	Summary of this thread: people like different things, which seems like a good argument for having different product models, which is the point of OP.

11-12-2019, 08:29 AM	#26
Quoth Still reading Posts: 14,981 Karma: 111111111 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper	AFAIK it's the SAME supplier & technology. Probably models of the similar period and same size are the same screen. Actually the IR touch original Kobo Aura H2O is whiter than the PW3 or PW4, though obviously slightly lower resolution as it's the same number of pixels on 6.8" instead of 6" The Kobo Libra H2O is similar to PW3 and PW4 as it's 300 dpi and capacitive. The lighting, which is a totally optional feature, is not the screen. It seems to vary slightly between examples of PW2, PW3, PW4 and the various Kobos. Some Kindle PW models are uneven at the bottom and some Kobos may have slight shading at the side margin. Inherently the eink front lighting is poorer than ambient and less even than OLED.