Firmware 4.18.13737 released

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by 4691mls

easier with Sony as all I had to do was open the table of contents, which listed a page number for each chapter as well as for other content such as an excerpt at the back of the book. I didn't actually have to go to the excerpt to see what page it started on. I wish Kobo would do this with its table of contents.

It's entirely up to the formatter of the ebook. Not Kobo!
Even on the Sony, material after "The End" can seem to be in the last chapter.
With Kobo, or any epub reader / app, all that's needed is a TOC entry to the start of extra material. There are a number of ways to ensure this depending on which epub creation / conversion tool is used.

[murraypaul]

Originally Posted by FrustratedReader

It's entirely up to the formatter of the ebook. Not Kobo!

The point was about showing page numbers in the TOC, which Kobo doesn't do. This is up to Kobo, as they are the ones calculating the page numbers.

[4691mls]

Originally Posted by FrustratedReader

It's entirely up to the formatter of the ebook. Not Kobo!
Even on the Sony, material after "The End" can seem to be in the last chapter.
With Kobo, or any epub reader / app, all that's needed is a TOC entry to the start of extra material. There are a number of ways to ensure this depending on which epub creation / conversion tool is used.

Originally Posted by murraypaul

The point was about showing page numbers in the TOC, which Kobo doesn't do. This is up to Kobo, as they are the ones calculating the page numbers.

I assumed it was a Sony thing because books I read on Sony always had the page numbers in the table of contents and Kobo never does. I read mostly Overdrive library books and I don't do any kind of conversion, I just read them as they come from the library.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by murraypaul

The point was about showing page numbers in the TOC, which Kobo doesn't do. This is up to Kobo, as they are the ones calculating the page numbers.

I did like that Sony Readers showed the page number in the ToC for ePub. It's the only Reader line that I know of that did that.

And to get back on topic, I'd like to know if it's a bug that when reading ePub that the time left when reading option for doesn't work.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by murraypaul

The point was about showing page numbers in the TOC, which Kobo doesn't do. This is up to Kobo, as they are the ones calculating the page numbers.

I thought the point was about finding where the end matter started.

I really don't get the obsession some people have with page numbers on ebooks. It's possible to put them in a TOC, though I've never seen them in TOC on either the Sony PRS350 or T1. I've accidentally left page numbers on a TOC.

Ebook creation guides abhor any use of page numbers anywhere for good reason as with fontface / fontsize / margin / spacing changes /different screens they are meaningless.
I have 3 sizes of eink screens and maybe 3 resolutions of 6" size, so maybe if you only have one spec of screen and never change anything it can work. I often use larger font face and line spacing and margin if annotating and smallest that's visually comfortable if just reading, which is rather different amount of words per page on tiny PRS350, my 6" long aspect ratio phone, Kindle PW3 and the Kobo Aura H2O for same size of text.

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I did like that Sony Readers showed the page number in the ToC for ePub. It's the only Reader line that I know of that did that.

Nook used to show page numbers in the TOC as well, back in the days of the Nook ST. That was how I estimated how long a chapter was before I moved to Kobo.

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

Nook used to show page numbers in the TOC as well, back in the days of the Nook ST. That was how I estimated how long a chapter was before I moved to Kobo.

I recall the rage that swept through the old Official Nook forums when this change took place. Y’all thinking this page numbers change is a lot haven’t seen anything compared against that. A shame those forums have since been shuttered to the point that I don’t think anyone can access them now.

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I did like that Sony Readers showed the page number in the ToC for ePub. It's the only Reader line that I know of that did that.

The Tolinos and Nooks do this also. (Also the Kindles, when there are page numbers.)

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

Nook used to show page numbers in the TOC as well, back in the days of the Nook ST. That was how I estimated how long a chapter was before I moved to Kobo.

It must have been something that happened on a book-by-book basis, because my Glowlight Plus (2015) still shows page numbers in the TOC, even on the few books I bought recently.

[Boneist]

Originally Posted by FrustratedReader

I really don't get the obsession some people have with page numbers on ebooks.

I use the “page” numbers to give an indication of how long the book is, something that’s not possible with percentages until you’ve read several pages. Or, I suppose, use the new progress bar (which I didn’t like and have turned off). I’m not sure I’m that obsessed about them though, but I would miss them if they were removed!

[koboy]

Originally Posted by Boneist

I use the “page” numbers to give an indication of how long the book is, something that’s not possible with percentages until you’ve read several pages. Or, I suppose, use the new progress bar (which I didn’t like and have turned off). I’m not sure I’m that obsessed about them though, but I would miss them if they were removed!

agreed. it makes it easier for me at least to decide if i want to start reading the next chapter or not, i definitely prefer it over time left in chapter.

I really don't get the obsession some people have with not having page numbers on ebooks.

best wishes koboy

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by rcentros

It must have been something that happened on a book-by-book basis, because my Glowlight Plus (2015) still shows page numbers in the TOC, even on the few books I bought recently.

It's not individual ePubs. It's something that went away and came back. I remember it disappearing while I was still using the Nook ST. I'm guessing the mentioned brouhaha in the forums got it reinstated.

I forgot it was back, because now the bottom slider shows how many pages are in the chapter, which is all I really need.

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

It's not individual ePubs. It's something that went away and came back. I remember it disappearing while I was still using the Nook ST. I'm guessing the mentioned brouhaha in the forums got it reinstated.

I forgot it was back, because now the bottom slider shows how many pages are in the chapter, which is all I really need.

Yeah if I recall correctly this was also around the time BN dropped inline chapters in the ToC. I remember they released an update shortly after restoring some of the things they removed but I’d be hard pressed to state anything with certainty. This was also obviously not BNs first or last misstep with Nook and I imagine more than a few people jumped ship before the new firmware was out.

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by FrustratedReader

I've never seen WiFi turn itself on. Even with search you've to tap acceptance.

I wonder is the "sync" on returning to homescreen only updating things related to the two bottom small tiles?

it should sync most things. It will definitely get new books and updated reading locations. It should get annotations. I'm not sure if it will check the dictionaries. In most cases, it won't get a firmware update. It might check, but, from memory, will only download the update if Kobo has marked it as high priority or something like that.

[lkmiller]

Originally Posted by FrustratedReader

Ebook creation guides abhor any use of page numbers anywhere for good reason as with fontface / fontsize / margin / spacing changes /different screens they are meaningless.
I have 3 sizes of eink screens and maybe 3 resolutions of 6" size, so maybe if you only have one spec of screen and never change anything it can work. I often use larger font face and line spacing and margin if annotating and smallest that's visually comfortable if just reading, which is rather different amount of words per page on tiny PRS350, my 6" long aspect ratio phone, Kindle PW3 and the Kobo Aura H2O for same size of text.

But none of that effects page numbers for epubs. It's only an issue when screen count is used instead of counting a fixed amount of text.