Adobe ADEPT DRM for EPUB circumvented - Page 7

i♥cabbages · 02-20-2009, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_D...ence_(Thoreau)

(Apologies for being terse -- working via TOR (The Onion Router) is kind of choppy.)

HarryT · 02-20-2009, 06:30 AM

With the greatest respect, you cannot compare your activities with those of people like Mr. Thoreau or Mr. Gandhi. Those individuals did not hide behind a cloak of anonymity as you are doing; they openly stood up and said to the authorities "I'm breaking the law; what are you going to do about it?". If you truly wish to commit an act of "Civil Disobedience", then please have the courage to follow their example and openly reveal your identity.

i♥cabbages · 02-20-2009, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

With the greatest respect, you cannot compare your activities with those of people like Mr. Thoreau or Mr. Gandhi. Those individuals did not hide behind a cloak of anonymity as you are doing. If you truly wish to commit an act of "Civil Disobedience", then please have the courage to openly reveal your identity.

Oh I wasn't suggesting that I was -- I was referring to the newly-minted "criminals" heartlessly removing the encryption from books they had purchased. But it does raise an interesting question -- if any of the past great leaders of peaceful movements against unjust regimes could have operated under the cover of anonymity current technology allows, would they have done so?

HarryT · 02-20-2009, 06:49 AM

I don't think so. To my mind (at least) it is the openness which defines the act of civil disobedience.

I'm afraid that I don't see what you're trying to accomplish by this. Its only impact is going to be to increase the sale of DRM-protected eBooks - is that what you want? The only way to take a stance against DRM is to refuse to buy such books. DRM circumvention does nothing to harm publishers who use DRM, and isn't that what your ultimate goal is?

samtheeagle · 02-20-2009, 07:09 AM

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I'm afraid that I don't see what you're trying to accomplish by this. Its only impact is going to be to increase the sale of DRM-protected eBooks - is that what you want? The only way to take a stance against DRM is to refuse to buy such books. DRM circumvention does nothing to harm publishers who use DRM, and isn't that what your ultimate goal is?

I'm not sure this is 100% true. I can certainly see that viewpoint, but once the DRM is know to be ineffectual it's about as useful as a chocolate teapot. It's no longer going to deliver the purported "benefits" that are so often touted by those who believe in it.

If all of a sudden we see and increase in the sales of books "protected" by a defunct DRM that's a clear sign that people don't want DRM, but want the product...

HarryT · 02-20-2009, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by samtheeagle

If all of a sudden we see and increase in the sales of books "protected" by a defunct DRM that's a clear sign that people don't want DRM, but want the product...

But the publisher will probably just see it as a sign that people "like" their DRM system. It's certainly no incentive for them to drop it, is it? The only way to achieve that is not to buy from that publisher, but rather to buy from those who sell books without DRM.

I don't actually see anything terribly objectionable about ADE DRM; it's a pretty transparent system for the user - it's not like Mobi DRM, where you need to re-download your books if you change your device, and you're in danger of losing them if your retailer goes bust.

samtheeagle · 02-20-2009, 07:28 AM

That's very true, as I imagine that most people will see what they want to see in the sales data... At the end of the day, these scripts give choice back to the end user, which I feel is a very good thing.

These are just my personal opinions on this much discussed topic. I don't pretend to know all the answers.

I personally find it offensive that I should be deemed a potential criminal from the word go. And in doing so the publishers have effectively made me one. Self-fulfilling prophecy or what eh?

llasram · 02-20-2009, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by samtheeagle

If all of a sudden we see and increase in the sales of books "protected" by a defunct DRM that's a clear sign that people don't want DRM, but want the product...

I agree completely. Plus it gives users more choice to go after the best format for their needs. If I want the most standards-compliant format which we will probably be able to easily render as intended for years to come, then now I can buy the EPUB version, no matter what my preferred reading format is.

HarryT · 02-20-2009, 07:32 AM

Well, it's your choice of course, but I'd prefer to express mine by buying from publishers like Baen who don't use DRM in the first place.

-Thomas- · 02-20-2009, 07:43 AM

This is really great news, and kudos to the fancy hacker!

llasram · 02-20-2009, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Well, it's your choice of course, but I'd prefer to express mine by buying from publishers like Baen who don't use DRM in the first place.

If only I could buy everything from Baen... But their "non-fiction" section isn't very good

.

HarryT · 02-20-2009, 07:49 AM

We're just going to have to "agree to differ", I'm afraid. I just feel (as you may have gathered by now

) that DRM-circumvention tools are not the way to persuade publishers to produce DRM-free books and, indeed, are likely to have entirely the opposite effect. Obviously others hold different views!

samtheeagle · 02-20-2009, 08:09 AM

Yes, it's 100% a personal choice. Neither is right or wrong, and somewhere along the line we'll find out what the future of DRM is... Let's hope it all gets untangled sooner rather than later

nrapallo · 02-20-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by samtheeagle

Yes, it's 100% a personal choice. Neither is right or wrong, and somewhere along the line we'll find out what the future of DRM is... Let's hope it all gets untangled sooner rather than later

Let's see, we also have .lit DRM - "untangled", .prc DRM -"detangled", .pdf DRM - "work in progress", .IMP (Secured OEBFF) DRM - "still intact".

Now, where will all the ebook Publishers have to go to ensure their works are secured... (hint starts with i..m..p..

)

For history repeating itself, look at what happened to the Movie Industry, VHS macrovision - "liberated", DVD DRM - "circumvented", HD DVD - "unravelled", Bluray DVD - "well..."

JSWolf · 02-20-2009, 08:40 AM

Sony's BBeB (LRX) has yet to be disinfected.

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02-20-2009, 06:30 AM	#92
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	With the greatest respect, you cannot compare your activities with those of people like Mr. Thoreau or Mr. Gandhi. Those individuals did not hide behind a cloak of anonymity as you are doing; they openly stood up and said to the authorities "I'm breaking the law; what are you going to do about it?". If you truly wish to commit an act of "Civil Disobedience", then please have the courage to follow their example and openly reveal your identity.

02-20-2009, 06:49 AM	#94
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I don't think so. To my mind (at least) it is the openness which defines the act of civil disobedience. I'm afraid that I don't see what you're trying to accomplish by this. Its only impact is going to be to increase the sale of DRM-protected eBooks - is that what you want? The only way to take a stance against DRM is to refuse to buy such books. DRM circumvention does nothing to harm publishers who use DRM, and isn't that what your ultimate goal is?

02-20-2009, 07:28 AM	#97
samtheeagle Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 56 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: Sony PRS505	That's very true, as I imagine that most people will see what they want to see in the sales data... At the end of the day, these scripts give choice back to the end user, which I feel is a very good thing. These are just my personal opinions on this much discussed topic. I don't pretend to know all the answers. I personally find it offensive that I should be deemed a potential criminal from the word go. And in doing so the publishers have effectively made me one. Self-fulfilling prophecy or what eh?

02-20-2009, 07:32 AM	#99
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Well, it's your choice of course, but I'd prefer to express mine by buying from publishers like Baen who don't use DRM in the first place.

02-20-2009, 07:43 AM	#100
-Thomas- Addict Posts: 325 Karma: 1725 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Münster, Germany Device: iRex iLiad v2	This is really great news, and kudos to the fancy hacker!

02-20-2009, 07:49 AM	#102
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	We're just going to have to "agree to differ", I'm afraid. I just feel (as you may have gathered by now ) that DRM-circumvention tools are not the way to persuade publishers to produce DRM-free books and, indeed, are likely to have entirely the opposite effect. Obviously others hold different views!

02-20-2009, 08:09 AM	#103
samtheeagle Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 56 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: Sony PRS505	Yes, it's 100% a personal choice. Neither is right or wrong, and somewhere along the line we'll find out what the future of DRM is... Let's hope it all gets untangled sooner rather than later

02-20-2009, 08:40 AM	#105
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,719 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Sony's BBeB (LRX) has yet to be disinfected.