Concerns About Sony's Religious Intolerance - Page 28

lilac_jive · 02-01-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

You and your entire team and school.......

Was that a dig at Penn State I heard?

desertgrandma · 02-01-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

It seems that that this is religious propaganda. See for example:

http://www.dbskeptic.com/2008/11/23/...s-in-foxholes/

http://atheism.about.com/b/2006/09/0...or-respect.htm

Okay. Its seems I stand corrected. Obviously, you can't make a blanket statement like that.

Let me re-phrase. "There are very few athiests in foxholes" (or before tests).

Disprove that.

Whether you believe in an afterlife in heaven, with angels and harps, or re-incarnation, coming back as your personal karma dictates, or just becoming part of the cosmos, you've got to believe in something.

What do athiests believe happens when we die?

Nate the great · 02-01-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

What do atheists believe happens when we die?

decomposition

Seabound · 02-01-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Let me re-phrase. "There are very few athiests in foxholes" (or before tests).

Ah, but grandma, your corrected statement still expresses "fundamental disrespect for atheists" (according to linky).

ShortNCuddlyAm · 02-01-2009, 07:51 PM

Personally, the only afterlife or reincarnation I believe in is the life that will be fed by the remains of my body. I want (and must make a will just so I have it officially in writing) a woodland burial in a very biodegradable casket for this reason.

desertgrandma · 02-01-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Seabound

Ah, but grandma, your corrected statement still expresses "fundamental disrespect for atheists" (according to linky).

tough. I see disrespect on the atheists part for those who believe in something, anything. We're weak willed, and grasping at straws, at a "make believe story." That is not a quote, just what I gathered from what I've read, here and elsewhere.

Again, if you don't believe in something, anything, what rock anchors your life?

desertgrandma · 02-01-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate the great

decomposition

Thats IT?? Decomposition? Then why even bother? Why do good, or be good? What difference does anything make?

If this were true, (and I sincerely believe its not) I swear, I would end it all now.

The lack of all hope is not to be borne.

AACCCKKKKKKKKkkkkkk........dammit, I got roped in.

desertgrandma · 02-01-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lilac_jive

Was that a dig at Penn State I heard?

No, I was just sayin', you could apply it to any school...

zelda_pinwheel · 02-01-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Thats IT?? Decomposition? Then why even bother? Why do good, or be good? What difference does anything make?

If this were true, (and I sincerely believe its not) I swear, I would end it all now.

The lack of all hope is not to be borne.

AACCCKKKKKKKKkkkkkk........dammit, I got roped in.

don't you think there's any value in doing good to try to improve the world you actually live in now ? trying to live the best life you can because you might make a difference in someone else's life ? shouldn't that be enough reward ?

Nate the great · 02-01-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Thats IT?? Decomposition? Then why even bother? Why do good, or be good? What difference does anything make?

If this were true, (and I sincerely believe its not) I swear, I would end it all now.

The lack of all hope is not to be borne.

AACCCKKKKKKKKkkkkkk........dammit, I got roped in.

That was a joke. You inadvertently became the punch line.

desertgrandma · 02-01-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

don't you think there's any value in doing good to try to improve the world you actually live in now ? trying to live the best life you can because you might make a difference in someone else's life ? shouldn't that be enough reward ?

I'm not looking for a reward. And I do what you've suggested (at least I try, I screw up a lot!) because its the right thing to do. Period.

But seriously. What we have here? This earth? That cannot possibly be all there is.

It just isn't logical.

Okay, I"ve just written and deleted several sentences. I can't put into a coherent sentence what I'm trying to say.

I think its time for me to back away, and let the philosophers continue this thread.

Seabound · 02-01-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

AACCCKKKKKKKKkkkkkk........dammit, I got roped in.

Take it easy, DG.

ShortNCuddlyAm · 02-01-2009, 08:26 PM

I'm not sure if I class myself as an atheist or not. I don't believe in a god in the Christian, Muslim etc sense. I do have beliefs that borrow heavily from branches of paganism.

I honestly don't mind what anyone else believes in so long as they don't try and convince me to believe the same, or use it as an excuse to harm (mentally, physically, spiritually, financially etc) others.

tompe · 02-01-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Okay. Its seems I stand corrected. Obviously, you can't make a blanket statement like that.

Let me re-phrase. "There are very few athiests in foxholes" (or before tests).

Disprove that.

It is hard to measure but as you saw it had been showed that people with strong opinions will not change them. And personally I do not get it how you can get a sincere belief just because your life is threatened.

Also there has been a lot of claims about famous atheists changing there ind at death bead but when you look at the claims in more detail you almost always find that they are wrong.

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Whether you believe in an afterlife in heaven, with angels and harps, or re-incarnation, coming back as your personal karma dictates, or just becoming part of the cosmos, you've got to believe in something.

Why?

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What do athiests believe happens when we die?

The brain stop functioning and the body decomposes. What do non-atheists believe happens when an insect dies?

tompe · 02-01-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ShortNCuddlyAm

I honestly don't mind what anyone else believes in so long as they don't try and convince me to believe the same, or use it as an excuse to harm (mentally, physically, spiritually, financially etc) others.

I think it is bad if they harm themselves also. I think it is right to try to save people from cults that will destroy them for example.

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ShortNCuddlyAm WWHALD Posts: 7,879 Karma: 337114 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mitcham, Surrey, UK Device: iPad. Selling my silver 505 here	Personally, the only afterlife or reincarnation I believe in is the life that will be fed by the remains of my body. I want (and must make a will just so I have it officially in writing) a woodland burial in a very biodegradable casket for this reason.

02-01-2009, 08:26 PM	#418
ShortNCuddlyAm WWHALD Posts: 7,879 Karma: 337114 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mitcham, Surrey, UK Device: iPad. Selling my silver 505 here	I'm not sure if I class myself as an atheist or not. I don't believe in a god in the Christian, Muslim etc sense. I do have beliefs that borrow heavily from branches of paganism. I honestly don't mind what anyone else believes in so long as they don't try and convince me to believe the same, or use it as an excuse to harm (mentally, physically, spiritually, financially etc) others.