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Old 02-25-2016, 11:30 AM   #16
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KF7 is not used as the name of the format by Amazon. They do not call their brand of Mobipocket KF7. They do call KF8 KF8 so KF8 is correct, but KF7 is incorrect.

Mobi is also short for Mobipocket which is the format you incorrectly call KF7.
Mobi/mobipocket is vague and unhelpful. KF7/KF8 is clear, helpful, and concise--whatever Amazon might choose to call it. As long as there are extensions like .mobi or .azw that can contain one, the other, or both formats, calling something a mobi is pointless. KF7/KF8 works as good as anything to differentiate between the formats. Deal with it.
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Old 02-25-2016, 11:34 AM   #17
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No. Please stop making "definitive" statements that are simply wrong.

Mobi is a container file extension and KF7 and KF8 are formats for files that can be stored in .mobi containers. Both can even be stored in the same container.

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What is incorrect is Jon's insistence in insisting about using specific chosen terminologies and no others.
He is not actually arguing that the *.mobi file sometimes known as Mobipocket version 7, does not exist -- he is quibbling about the words people use to refer to it.

In all the years he has been here, no one has managed to convince him that this distinction (and MANY others) is meaningless, so I don't understand what hope you think you have.
Best to ignore him and move on.
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Mobi/mobipocket is vague and unhelpful. KF7/KF8 is clear, helpful, and concise--whatever Amazon might choose to call it. As long as there are extensions like .mobi or .azw that can contain one, the other, or both formats, calling something a mobi is pointless. KF7/KF8 works as good as anything to differentiate between the formats. Deal with it.
I am dealing. I'm using Mobi for Mobipocket and KF8 for KF8. What's so hard to understand there? It's always been Mobi before there was KF8. So I'm just sticking to the terms that more people will understand.

KF7 = Kindle Fire 7
KF8 = Kindle Format 8 (some know as AZW3)
Mobi = Mobipocket (some know as AZW)
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So I'm just sticking to the terms that more people will understand.
No, you are sticking to the terms that will cause more arguments.

As usual.

EDIT: claiming that people will confuse "KF7" with the Kindle Fire 7 in a thread about coding and validating ebooks is possibly the funniest thing I have heard all week.
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KF8 is not a Mobi. There is no KF7. It's KF8 or Mobi, the two are not the same.
Mobi is the extension used for most if not all of the Amazon books. Internally there are differences but to most people they only look at the extension.

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Many thanks all.

The book is a novel, and in this case a TOC listing chapters is meaningless.

I am using Kindlegen, so perhaps I can leave out the TOC altogether and let KG create a TOC from the .ncx?
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Not meaningless,
it is a way to quickly get back to the good part on a reade that does not support bookmark syncing
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Mobi is the extension used for most if not all of the Amazon books. Internally there are differences but to most people they only look at the extension.

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Where is .mobi used for KF8 or KFX eBooks?
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Where is .mobi used for KF8 or KFX eBooks?
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Kindlegen cannot make KFX eBooks.
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Kindlegen cannot make KFX eBooks.

Only you added KFX. The conversation was about KF7 and KF8.
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it is a way to quickly get back to the good part on a reade that does not support bookmark syncing
Ah, I thought they all allowed bookmarks. So on some readers (kindles, readers or both?) you can't bookmark and would need to remember the chapter you were reading?

I'd find myself trying to dog-ear the corners

My problem is I don't like to see those awful, uninformative ToCs at the start of ebook novels. Obviously non-fiction is different.
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Or maybe you can bookmark but you cannot sync between your tablet/phone and your E-Ink ereader.

Personally, I could do without an HTML ToC listing "Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3". Which is what so many of them are...
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