Innovation or e-waste? Apple rumored to ditch headphone jack

[Purple Lady]

Originally Posted by Rbneader

I've been surprisingly satisfied with TMobile for several years. I'm happy to PM if you would like details.

I just checked their coverage map, and they have me as fair coverage - cell reception outdoors and occasionally indoors. Maybe 15 years ago that would have been deemed acceptable, and I think that's actually what TMobile categorized it as.

[Cyberman tM]

Originally Posted by Shane R

Light bulbs too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

Oy.
As much as I like Wikipedia, this is a classic example of "anything can be written as long as no one cross-checks".
Light bulbs are the worst "example" of planned obsolescence possible.
A longer lasting bulb draws more power and/or gives off less light.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by Cyberman tM

A longer lasting bulb draws more power and/or gives off less light.

The particular type of long-lasting incandescent bulb that were sold may have been like that. That does not in itself contradict the claims of the article that the industry supressed the development of long lasting bulbs that may have been more efficient.
IOW your forum post is no more believable than Wikipedia.

By the way, the "long lasting" bulbs I remember were always just slightly lower wattage...like 55 instead of 60...so they ran longer simply by being slightly dimmer and cooler, so they didn't burn out as fast. But they did use less power.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Cyberman tM

Light bulbs are the worst "example" of planned obsolescence possible.
A longer lasting bulb draws more power and/or gives off less light.

Are you seriously suggesting that LED lightbulbs - which last almost indefinitely - either draw more power or give off less light than incandescent bulbs?

[Phogg]

Originally Posted by Cyberman tM

Oy.
As much as I like Wikipedia, this is a classic example of "anything can be written as long as no one cross-checks".
Light bulbs are the worst "example" of planned obsolescence possible.
A longer lasting bulb draws more power and/or gives off less light.

Have you ever actually seen the radio directed light technology that was suppressed (not hard to do when one company owns all the patents) in the sixties in use, or are you just denying that planned obsolescence exists because the concept disturbs you?

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Phogg

Have you ever actually seen the radio directed light technology that was suppressed (not hard to do when one company owns all the patents) in the sixties in use, or are you just denying that planned obsolescence exists because the concept disturbs you?

The idea of suppressed "everlasting" lightbulbs is one of the oldest urban myths around. Of course, now we actually have effectively everlasting lightbulbs in the form of LED lighting.

[Rizla]

Originally Posted by HarryT

The idea of suppressed "everlasting" lightbulbs is one of the oldest urban myths around. Of course, now we actually have effectively everlasting lightbulbs in the form of LED lighting.

Do you have proof it is an urban legend?

http://albertjackchat.com/2015/05/28...-urban-legend/

The Light Bulb

The original incandescent light bulb was invented by British chemist Sir Humphry Davy (1778–1829) in 1805 although it would be another seventy-five years before Thomas Edison found a way for them to be used commercially. Then, in 1924, the leading light-bulb manufacturers formed the International Phoebus Cartel with the aim of standardizing light-bulb fittings. However, many believed that the cartel was actually formed to suppress the invention of the life-long light bulb. It was a new design that would never need to be replaced. In fact, the cartel went one step further and all agreed to actually limit the life expectancy of a light bulb, which would increase the demand for replacements. Some men of science claim that the patent for the lifetime light bulb, along with its technical information, is ‘buried somewhere in a drawer’ at the head office of one of the major light-bulb manufacturers.

It should be pointed out that there is no actual evidence for this although it is known that the average lifespan of a light bulb, in the Western world, is around 2,000 hours, whilst those in the former communist countries, who were not part of the cartel, has around double that life expectancy. Modern Chinese bulbs are estimated to last up to three times as long. Now, despite there being no evidence to support such claims, it is known that German watchmaker Dieter Binninger (1938–1991) invented a light bulb that was estimated to last 150,000 hours of continual use, or eighteen years. However, soon after finding a manufacturer who agreed to actually produce them, Binninger mysteriously died in an aircraft accident in 1991 and his invention quietly disappeared from focus. Murder in the light-bulb business, or conspiracy theory?

On another note, LED lights suppress melatonin and are therefore harmful to health.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Rizla

Do you have proof it is an urban legend?

Did you read the text that you quoted? The part that said "there is no actual evidence for this"? In the absence of evidence it must be assumed to be apocryphal.

[Phogg]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Did you read the text that you quoted? The part that said "there is no actual evidence for this"? In the absence of evidence it must be assumed to be apocryphal.

But for the engineers that worked on projects referred to, and the people who know them, it isn't apocryphal.
A lot of things do happen that are not on the public record, and very often private records detailing things are kept private because they make someone look bad.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by Phogg

But for the engineers that worked on projects referred to, and the people who know them, it isn't apocryphal.
A lot of things do happen that are not on the public record, and very often private records detailing things are kept private because they make someone look bad.

Ooh...it must true then, 'cuz you implied you heard about it from un-named someones who say they know, and you couldn't have posted it on an anonymous public Internet forum if it wasn't so! That'll sure make people think!
Please. You're dragging down this forum's reputation by making posts like that. They will show up in someone's search results along side fake moon landings and 100 mpg carburetors.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by Rizla

On another note, LED lights suppress melatonin and are therefore harmful to health.

Questionable at best, and even if that one study is exactly accurate, it doesn't mean all LEDs bulb must necessarily produce only the frequencies in question, nor that there's a health concern from them in all uses and circumstances.
But I'm all for further study, just like I'm for study of ambient EMF exposure.

[Phogg]

Originally Posted by ApK

Ooh...it must true then, 'cuz you implied you heard about it from someone who says they are some one who knows, and you couldn't have posted it on an anonymous public Internet forum if it wasn't so!
Please. You're dragging down this own forum's reputation by making posts like that. They will show up in someone's search results along side fake moon landings and 100 mpg carburetors.

And yet I have been involved in things that did not happen as recorded. Or that were never recorded.
Most people have at one time or another.

That is why the press is held in far higher esteem by the young than it is by mature adults.

[Rizla]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Did you read the text that you quoted? The part that said "there is no actual evidence for this"? In the absence of evidence it must be assumed to be apocryphal.

It should be pointed out that there is no actual evidence for this although it is known that the average lifespan of a light bulb, in the Western world, is around 2,000 hours, whilst those in the former communist countries, who were not part of the cartel, has around double that life expectancy. Modern Chinese bulbs are estimated to last up to three times as long.

So Western capitalism and technology could not produce a light-bulb that even approached the life-span of the one produced by Soviet Communism?

Wow. Your powers of denial are startling.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Rizla

So Western capitalism and technology could not produce a light-bulb that even approached the life-span of the one produced by Soviet Communism?

Is it conceivable that lightbulbs are produced with shorter lifespans than are technically feasible? Yes, certainly. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. The manufacturer wants to maximise their profit, not benefit mankind.

The part of your quote I was referring to was not that, but the claim that an "everlasting" lightbulb had been invented and suppressed. That is the "urban legend".

[cvkemp]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Is it conceivable that lightbulbs are produced with shorter lifespans than are technically feasible? Yes, certainly. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. The manufacturer wants to maximise their profit, not benefit mankind.

The part of your quote I was referring to was not that, but the claim that an "everlasting" lightbulb had been invented and suppressed. That is the "urban legend".

I can tell you this I worked in the electronic industry and I know that companies that I will not call by name designed devices, circuit board, etc., that would fail soon after their warranty period. Then if the customer wanted the device, circuit board repaired we would replace the bad components with the correct replacements that should have been in the original build of the device, or boards.