Questions for new Iliad owners! - Page 8

tribble · 07-15-2006, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bingle

So that's not exactly 7500 page turns... (Unless it was *very* excessive use ;-)) I assume the power drain is due to things like the wireless and other background processes running. Is there any way to turn that stuff off, so that the only power drain is page changing? One of the big draws of eink for me is the idea that it's only using power under active use.

Or is that something that's coming with the eventual power management update?

Right now, the WiFi seems to be running constantly. (at least i always found free ports wen scanning) and the green processor led is constantly flickering aswell. So thats probably a major reason for power to drain so quickly. I dont know, if the stylus power management works yet either, because in the manual it said, that after 3 minutes you would have to put the stylus back in the back and pull it out again, so it functions after stylus power down. But i could always just use it.

There is no switch to turn the devices off. I assume the power management will be functional in the final version of the OS.

tribble · 07-15-2006, 03:20 AM

The browser seems to support all kinds of javascript. And i even could tak a look at the filestructure that way. I added an image, so you can see for yourself.

R2D2 · 07-15-2006, 03:23 AM

Tribble, that is a window on your sreen. It looks pretty much like one of the common window manager is running on the machine (there are even key shortcuts specified). I think that this is great news!

DHer · 07-15-2006, 03:33 AM

this is seriously cool, indeed.

Is the whole file system accessible when connecting via USB or only the books folder?

If it isn't, could you please try to invoke a "save file to" dialogue?

After that, maybe you can test in which folders you can write. If you can save files to every folder, we have the jackpot

We just drop a line in init.d and get a shell on a port.

b_k · 07-15-2006, 03:35 AM

So from the user agent, it looks like a Mozilla Browser (there was never a Netscape 5, if i can trust http://www.joergkrusesweb.de/interne...ser-agent.html).
And the file dialog looks like the one in GNOME.

edit: compare this to the iliad browsers user agent:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040608
this is from Mozilla 1.7 on Windows 2000. Very similar, isn't it?

another edit: looks like you are alpha-testing Firefox 1.6.
http://www.tnl.net/ua/OS/Windows/Firefox/1.6

the last edit (hopefully):
i was totally mistaken. Seems like they are really running a version of Firefox 2.0 there. Just downloaded the last beta, here's the user-agent of it:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.8.1b1) Gecko/20060710 Firefox/2.0b1

tribble · 07-15-2006, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R2D2

Tribble, that is a window on your sreen. It looks pretty much like one of the common window manager is running on the machine (there are even key shortcuts specified). I think that this is great news!

Seems like it

Windows are moveable. just have to do a manual screen refresh.

And here a few images of the sample pictures, a novel page i printed to a 12x15cm pdf page from firefox, and a cropped scientific paper i had around.
The paper is quite readable, but i like small fonts anyway, so it will not be for everyone. And for the figures a variable zoom option is necessary (drag top left to bottom right of zoom area

- that would be nice).

tribble · 07-15-2006, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHer

this is seriously cool, indeed.

Is the whole file system accessible when connecting via USB or only the books folder?

If it isn't, could you please try to invoke a "save file to" dialogue?

After that, maybe you can test in which folders you can write. If you can save files to every folder, we have the jackpot

We just drop a line in init.d and get a shell on a port.

The filesystem is not accessible via usb. At least not by just plugging it in as described in the manual. And you cant see files in the /etc folder, when you change into it. So the browser might not run as root

How could i invoke a "save to file" dialogue? CTRL-S and ALT-F dont seem to do anything. Any ideas?

DHer · 07-15-2006, 03:53 AM

well, you could put a hyperlink to a file in the same directory in the html. If it isn't a file which is supported by Firefox, it will/should/could display a "File save to" dialogue.

You tried the shortcuts with an USB keyboard?

tribble · 07-15-2006, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHer

well, you could put a hyperlink to a file in the same directory in the html. If it isn't a file which is supported by Firefox, it will/should/could display a "File save to" dialogue.

You tried the shortcuts with an USB keyboard?

Dont know, if they are specified, but i just tried (with the built in touch screen keyboard)

I will try a USB keyboard later.

CommanderROR · 07-15-2006, 04:33 AM

Yeah!

Go! Go! Go!

Now the big boys are playing...:-)
This is all way beyond my grasp, but it looks cool anyway.

Maybe somebody can find a way to switch the WiFi off...that would be a kind of "preliminary" power saving...^^

herve · 07-15-2006, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribble

The browser seems to support all kinds of javascript. And i even could tak a look at the filestructure that way. I added an image, so you can see for yourself.

If anyone installed it he could confirm, but it sounds like an alpha of Firefox 2 to me. At least that's the Mozilla software in version 1.9 I can think of. Mozilla suite, aka Seamonkey, is only version 1.7.

DHer · 07-15-2006, 05:30 AM

erm. gecko is in version 1.9a1.

edit: has someone already run wireshark while getting content using iDS?

tribble · 07-15-2006, 06:12 AM

Trying to klick on a linked file (zip and jar) produces an error message:
Downloading /tmp/somerandomname.exe
/tmp/somerandomname.exe could not be saved, because the source file could not be read.

Guess it wont be that easy.

herve · 07-15-2006, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHer

erm. gecko is in version 1.9a1.

edit: has someone already run wireshark while getting content using iDS?

My mistake, but it still means it's a fresh Mozilla product, because I'm looking at Firefox 1.5.0.4 now and Gecko is version 20060608.

But if we have a worthy SDK, writing Linux+GTK applications, and playing with Firefox-whatever will be real fun.

edit: I tried Firefox 2.0 beta and Gecko is version 1.8.1b1.

DHer · 07-15-2006, 06:22 AM

that's true.

@tribble: that's unfortunate.

07-15-2006, 03:20 AM	#107
tribble iLiad Maniac Posts: 1,382 Karma: 2369 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Device: Bookeen Opus (i love that thing) and iPad (what an irony)	The browser seems to support all kinds of javascript. And i even could tak a look at the filestructure that way. I added an image, so you can see for yourself. Attached Thumbnails

07-15-2006, 03:35 AM	#110
b_k Übernerd Posts: 238 Karma: 74 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Device: iRex iLiad	So from the user agent, it looks like a Mozilla Browser (there was never a Netscape 5, if i can trust http://www.joergkrusesweb.de/interne...ser-agent.html). And the file dialog looks like the one in GNOME. edit: compare this to the iliad browsers user agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040608 this is from Mozilla 1.7 on Windows 2000. Very similar, isn't it? another edit: looks like you are alpha-testing Firefox 1.6. http://www.tnl.net/ua/OS/Windows/Firefox/1.6 the last edit (hopefully): i was totally mistaken. Seems like they are really running a version of Firefox 2.0 there. Just downloaded the last beta, here's the user-agent of it: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.8.1b1) Gecko/20060710 Firefox/2.0b1 Last edited by b_k; 07-15-2006 at 05:44 AM.

07-15-2006, 03:53 AM	#113
DHer Addict Posts: 261 Karma: 156 Join Date: Jul 2006 Device: iliad	well, you could put a hyperlink to a file in the same directory in the html. If it isn't a file which is supported by Firefox, it will/should/could display a "File save to" dialogue. You tried the shortcuts with an USB keyboard? Last edited by DHer; 07-15-2006 at 03:56 AM.

07-15-2006, 05:30 AM	#117
DHer Addict Posts: 261 Karma: 156 Join Date: Jul 2006 Device: iliad	erm. gecko is in version 1.9a1. edit: has someone already run wireshark while getting content using iDS? Last edited by DHer; 07-15-2006 at 05:48 AM.

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07-15-2006, 03:23 AM	#108
R2D2 Mad Scientist Posts: 294 Karma: 242 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Device: Zaurus, HTCMagician, iLiad	Tribble, that is a window on your sreen. It looks pretty much like one of the common window manager is running on the machine (there are even key shortcuts specified). I think that this is great news!

07-15-2006, 03:33 AM	#109
DHer Addict Posts: 261 Karma: 156 Join Date: Jul 2006 Device: iliad	this is seriously cool, indeed. Is the whole file system accessible when connecting via USB or only the books folder? If it isn't, could you please try to invoke a "save file to" dialogue? After that, maybe you can test in which folders you can write. If you can save files to every folder, we have the jackpot We just drop a line in init.d and get a shell on a port.

07-15-2006, 04:33 AM	#115
CommanderROR eink fanatic Posts: 2,022 Karma: 4924 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Device: STAReBOOK, iRex Iliad, Sony 505, Kindle 2	Yeah! Go! Go! Go! Now the big boys are playing...:-) This is all way beyond my grasp, but it looks cool anyway. Maybe somebody can find a way to switch the WiFi off...that would be a kind of "preliminary" power saving...^^

07-15-2006, 06:12 AM	#118
tribble iLiad Maniac Posts: 1,382 Karma: 2369 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Device: Bookeen Opus (i love that thing) and iPad (what an irony)	Trying to klick on a linked file (zip and jar) produces an error message: Downloading /tmp/somerandomname.exe /tmp/somerandomname.exe could not be saved, because the source file could not be read. Guess it wont be that easy.

07-15-2006, 06:22 AM	#120
DHer Addict Posts: 261 Karma: 156 Join Date: Jul 2006 Device: iliad	that's true. @tribble: that's unfortunate.

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