New version of DRM removal tools ("DeDRM") - Page 31

barryem · 12-21-2015, 04:16 PM

I have no idea how the officers of Amazon feel about DRM but I once was in a customer advisory forum for Audible where we had discussions with a lot of the companies officers about their policies so they could get feedback from us. I participated in this for about 3 years. This was before they were purchased by Amazon so I'm not sure how much it tells me about Amazon.

Anyway their take on DRM was close to hatred and that was almost universal. They had DRM because it was the only way they could get publishers to let them sell their books. But they saw it as a major cost both in terms of the technology and customer support.

We had enough long discussions about this that I'm pretty sure those were their honest feelings and, as I said, I have no reason to think Amazon's officers also feel that way but who knows! I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they have DRM not because they want it but because they feel that they have to.

Everyone keeps talking about when Amazon forces everything to be KFX but there have been a number of updates, including some fairly major ones, since KFX became available and we can still use Calibre and it's little brother Alf to protect our purchases.

I wonder if this means Amazon really doesn't care?

I wish I knew this was the case. So far we're in good shape and maybe it'll stay that way and maybe sometime down the road Amazon will lead the charge against DRM. They've done stranger things.

Of course tomorrow they might lock everything down just to make me feel silly for saying this.

Barry

Lynx-lynx · 12-21-2015, 04:33 PM

Okay ..... some here may think me a bit of a party pooper (for this time of the year), but ..... could we stick to updated Tools in this thread .......

Katsunami · 12-22-2015, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Difflugia

I don't think you are. Every time Amazon has added a new format, it's been wrapped in some sort of obfuscation, even when it's an existing format under the hood (AZW3 is epub, AZW4 is PDF).

I think the goal is to keep people using Kindles. If you convert your Amazon book to another format and read it on another device, Amazon no longer receives information about how you're reading your books. Kindle Unlimited relies on that kind of information

Not in my case. My Kindle is in airplane mode all the time. If a service requires a continuous stream of information, I won't use it. The only information you're getting is that needed to complete a purchase (and obviously my browsing information, but I don't really care about that).

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If a significant fraction of readers stop providing information to Amazon, that will affect the quality of Amazon's data and it looks to me like they're being proactive in trying to thwart that.

At some point, there will be a breaking point. As of late I've been seeing 'normal people' (i.e., not the one who are versed in technology and internet to a great extent) complain about how much information is being asked/sent. If even these people are starting to complain, we're nearing the limits of what can be acquired without actually upsetting people.

soulfuldog · 12-24-2015, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GoSharks

@soulfuldog-

Did you just manage to use "JSWolf", "Amazon" and "realistically" all in the same sentence?.... You are a master word-smith!!!!

Ha, I take it that's a no then?

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Originally Posted by Lynx-lynx

Okay ..... some here may think me a bit of a party pooper (for this time of the year), but ..... could we stick to updated Tools in this thread .......

No you are quite right, sorry. Perhaps a mod could split the off-topic stuff if they have any spare time?

DiapDealer · 12-24-2015, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by soulfuldog

Ha, I take it that's a no then?

No you are quite right, sorry. Perhaps a mod could split the off-topic stuff if they have any spare time?

It's not like the subject hasn't ever wandered around a bit before. A thread of nothing but update announcements certainly wouldn't have reached 16 pages like it has (not in the amount of time the thread's been around anyway).

There's always a flurry of activity (including some topical wandering) after each announcement and then things go silent for a long time. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Lynx-lynx · 12-25-2015, 04:32 PM

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I can confirm that using Calibre obok can not decrypt ebooks from the latest Kobo Desktop, v3.19.3665.

Calibre v.2.46
Obok v3.1.4

Solution posted - see 'KrisKringle' Apprentice Alf site.

Edit
Also look for 'Norbert'

Lynx-lynx · 01-05-2016, 09:00 PM

Apprentice Harper posted on Alf that he will probably release an updated and consolidated version of the Tools later this week.

With thanks to App Harper.

FizzyWater · 01-06-2016, 10:05 PM

And thank you for passing on the update. I tried to give you karma, but apparently I've done so too recently

Lynx-lynx · 01-08-2016, 04:43 PM

I can confirm that the version of obok about to be released by Apprentice Harper does work with the newest version of Kobo Desktop v3.19.3765 (released in the last couple of days).

App Harper posted on Alf today that he will probably post new Tools this coming Monday.

WT Sharpe · 01-09-2016, 07:58 AM

Is there any reason to upgrade for non-Kobo users?

JazzyJeff · 01-09-2016, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Is there any reason to upgrade for non-Kobo users?

Not really. Like they say, why fix what isn't broken?

Lynx-lynx · 01-09-2016, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Is there any reason to upgrade for non-Kobo users?

Good question because posters on Alf have stated that some modifications are needed for the Kindle for Android App, but here's what Apprentice Harper indicated he would do:
'working on a new release of the tools, to include the update to obok, and perhaps a little something for the Linux users' (5 Jan)

And, as the obok file that was provided is ready to go, then App Harper is possibly still working on the Linux stuff. So, it's a wait and see .....

lkmiller · 01-10-2016, 08:38 AM

I know the last update was only for Kobo/Obok and the version number just had an "a" added to it. It does seem like there might be something more this time, but we'll see.

I gather from the comments that the problem with Kindle for Android is that its latest version doesn't allow the creation of the necessary backup file. I don't think there's much to be done on the tools side except to say you need to use an earlier version of Kindle for Android.

Purple Lady · 01-10-2016, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lkmiller

I know the last update was only for Kobo/Obok and the version number just had an "a" added to it. It does seem like there might be something more this time, but we'll see.

I gather from the comments that the problem with Kindle for Android is that its latest version doesn't allow the creation of the necessary backup file. I don't think there's much to be done on the tools side except to say you need to use an earlier version of Kindle for Android.

Doesn't the latest Kindle for Android have the kfx format? It doesn't matter if it did work because you can't do anything with kfx files anyway.

lkmiller · 01-11-2016, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Lady

Doesn't the latest Kindle for Android have the kfx format? It doesn't matter if it did work because you can't do anything with kfx files anyway.

Yes, there's that too. For the books that are in that format.

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12-21-2015, 04:16 PM	#451
barryem Wizard Posts: 2,459 Karma: 68781975 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Arkansas Device: Paperwhite 4	I have no idea how the officers of Amazon feel about DRM but I once was in a customer advisory forum for Audible where we had discussions with a lot of the companies officers about their policies so they could get feedback from us. I participated in this for about 3 years. This was before they were purchased by Amazon so I'm not sure how much it tells me about Amazon. Anyway their take on DRM was close to hatred and that was almost universal. They had DRM because it was the only way they could get publishers to let them sell their books. But they saw it as a major cost both in terms of the technology and customer support. We had enough long discussions about this that I'm pretty sure those were their honest feelings and, as I said, I have no reason to think Amazon's officers also feel that way but who knows! I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they have DRM not because they want it but because they feel that they have to. Everyone keeps talking about when Amazon forces everything to be KFX but there have been a number of updates, including some fairly major ones, since KFX became available and we can still use Calibre and it's little brother Alf to protect our purchases. I wonder if this means Amazon really doesn't care? I wish I knew this was the case. So far we're in good shape and maybe it'll stay that way and maybe sometime down the road Amazon will lead the charge against DRM. They've done stranger things. Of course tomorrow they might lock everything down just to make me feel silly for saying this. Barry

12-21-2015, 04:33 PM	#452
Lynx-lynx Treachery of images ... Posts: 4,149 Karma: 94320195 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Device: Sony 650, Kobo Glo, H2O, Aura One, Forma, Libra 2, Libra Colour	Okay ..... some here may think me a bit of a party pooper (for this time of the year), but ..... could we stick to updated Tools in this thread .......

01-05-2016, 09:00 PM	#457
Lynx-lynx Treachery of images ... Posts: 4,149 Karma: 94320195 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Device: Sony 650, Kobo Glo, H2O, Aura One, Forma, Libra 2, Libra Colour	Apprentice Harper posted on Alf that he will probably release an updated and consolidated version of the Tools later this week. With thanks to App Harper.

01-06-2016, 10:05 PM	#458
FizzyWater You kids get off my lawn! Posts: 4,220 Karma: 73492664 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Columbus, Ohio Device: Oasis 2 and Libra H2O and half a dozen older models I can't let go of	And thank you for passing on the update. I tried to give you karma, but apparently I've done so too recently

01-08-2016, 04:43 PM	#459
Lynx-lynx Treachery of images ... Posts: 4,149 Karma: 94320195 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Device: Sony 650, Kobo Glo, H2O, Aura One, Forma, Libra 2, Libra Colour	I can confirm that the version of obok about to be released by Apprentice Harper does work with the newest version of Kobo Desktop v3.19.3765 (released in the last couple of days). App Harper posted on Alf today that he will probably post new Tools this coming Monday.

01-09-2016, 07:58 AM	#460
WT Sharpe Bah, humbug! Posts: 39,072 Karma: 157049943 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chesapeake, VA, USA Device: Kindle Oasis, iPad Pro, & a Samsung Galaxy S9.	Is there any reason to upgrade for non-Kobo users?

01-10-2016, 08:38 AM	#463
lkmiller Laura Posts: 1,573 Karma: 23597272 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: Kobo Sage, Kobo Elipsa, Nook Glowlight 4 Plus, Kindle Oasis 2	I know the last update was only for Kobo/Obok and the version number just had an "a" added to it. It does seem like there might be something more this time, but we'll see. I gather from the comments that the problem with Kindle for Android is that its latest version doesn't allow the creation of the necessary backup file. I don't think there's much to be done on the tools side except to say you need to use an earlier version of Kindle for Android.

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