WSJ: E-Book Sales Fall After New Amazon Contracts

[jgaiser]

Originally Posted by pwalker8

Once again, Apple was not accused of fixing prices.

[pwalker8]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

You keep saying this. We keep telling you that according to the court case (!!!) they did one using a tactic that utilized doing the other (== both) ...

Repeatably saying something doesn't make it true.

From the FTC website

Price fixing is an agreement (written, verbal, or inferred from conduct) among competitors that raises, lowers, or stabilizes prices or competitive terms.

Agency Model or Agency Pricing is when the whole seller (or publisher in this case) sets the price and the retailer gets a fee for each item sold.

The courts have found that the Agency Model is perfectly legal.

For it to be price fixing, the publishers would have had to agree to set the prices at a given price. That, of course, did not happen.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by pwalker8

Repeatably saying something doesn't make it true.

From the FTC website

Price fixing is an agreement (written, verbal, or inferred from conduct) among competitors that raises, lowers, or stabilizes prices or competitive terms.

Agency Model or Agency Pricing is when the whole seller (or publisher in this case) sets the price and the retailer gets a fee for each item sold.

The courts have found that the Agency Model is perfectly legal.

For it to be price fixing, the publishers would have had to agree to set the prices at a given price. That, of course, did not happen.

#1
The courts saying it's true, makes it true.
The courts saying the publishers agreed to set prices at a given price, makes it true.
The courts finding that Apple's and publishers' behavior was illegal, makes it true.

#2
Stop repeating the definition of Agency Pricing as though we don't know what it means. Repeatedly claiming that "[it] did not happen", doesn't make that true, and your repeated thinly veiled attempts to cast doubt on everyone else in the thread by quoting the definition of Agency Pricing as though clarifying the definition will make people agree with you that that is all that went on, got really tiresome months and months ago.


tl;dr

[pwalker8]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

:
The courts saying it's true, makes it true.
The courts saying the publishers agreed to set prices at a given price, makes it true.
The courts finding that Apple's and publishers' behavior was illegal, makes it true.


Stop repeating the definition of Agency Pricing as though we don't know what it means. Repeatedly claiming that "[it] did not happen", doesn't make that true, and your repeated thinly veiled attempts to cast doubt on everyone else in the thread by quoting the definition of Agency Pricing as though clarifying the definition will make people agree with you that that is all that went on, got really tiresome months and months ago.

And pounding the table louder doesn't make your assertions anymore true.

[murg]

Originally Posted by pwalker8

And pounding the table louder doesn't make your assertions anymore true.

Stating the same wrong assertions over and over again doesn't make them any truer.

[DiapDealer]

Now, now, now folks. pwalker8 is technically correct. Apple was not accused of fixing prices. They were technically accused of collusion.

Spoiler:

...to fix prices.

[jgaiser]

Wait... DD.. Green? When did that happen?

[eschwartz]

Sometime in the last hour...

Mazal Tov, DD!

[chitrodhar]

Originally Posted by Shane R

From the "everyone saw that coming" file:





http://www.wsj.com/article_email/e-b...MzAxNDUwMjQ2Wj

I'd bet they'll tell us next that consumers aren't interested in e-books, and they're going to start phasing them out.

LOL, a bunch of jokers.

[chitrodhar]

Originally Posted by loco

well this seems like a farce to me. ebooks are here to stay. i would prefer a digital book to one weighing a pound in weight. as technology is making roots into more countries, this fact cannot be overlooked. this behavior by publishers will lead to the following:







the credit for summing this up goes to mathew inman from www.theoatmeal.com. and the comic can be read in it's entirety at http://theoatmeal.com/comics/music_industry

we might not see this happening for book authors tomorrow but the day is not far enough. And when that day comes, i will have my chai in peace.

True. I love ebooks too. I don't like carrying weight unnecessarily lol. Besides I don't even have enough space in my room for a bookcase

[chitrodhar]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Now, now, now folks. pwalker8 is technically correct. Apple was not accused of fixing prices. They were technically accused of collusion.

Spoiler:

...to fix prices.

Well said. Thanks for the laugh.

[Fbone]

Originally Posted by jgaiser

Wait... DD.. Green? When did that happen?

Also Blossom and issybird.

[jgaiser]

Originally Posted by Fbone

Also Blossom and issybird.

Wah!!! Why ain't I green? .... Congratulations to all our new overlords.

[Cinisajoy]

How does one turn green?

[DiapDealer]

One "Takes the Green" by saying their vows in a sept or before a heart tree.