Onyx Boox i86

[diegoocampo]

Lets try the picture again..

[pierro78]

Originally Posted by diegoocampo

Lets try the picture again..

they had the hardware buttons on the right side on the facebook ( https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater ) picture ...

[diegoocampo]

Originally Posted by pierro78

they had the hardware buttons on the right side on the facebook ( https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater ) picture ...

That one in facebook was probably a prototype. The one I posted was showed in the official onyx chinese forum yesterday by one of the onyx employees.

[mbovenka]

Originally Posted by diegoocampo

That one in facebook was probably a prototype. The one I posted was showed in the official onyx chinese forum yesterday by one of the onyx employees.

Even so, having them on the right would be more logical, given that right-handed people are a majority. But left or right, it looks better to me than the InkPad 840.

[diegoocampo]

Originally Posted by mbovenka

Even so, having them on the right would be more logical, given that right-handed people are a majority. But left or right, it looks better to me than the InkPad 840.

Not so sure.. its a big device, so you probably want to hold it with the right hand and use your left hand to touch the screen or the buttons.

And its Android, sure you will find a way to turn the screen upside-down so you can choose any way you feel more confortable.

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by diegoocampo

Lets try the picture again..

Oh, they've changed the design somewhat. [10th Doctor]I don't like it![/10th Doctor]

The design is pretty meh, and I don't like the fact that this has an IR-touchscreen.

[diegoocampo]

Originally Posted by ST-One

Oh, they've changed the design somewhat. [10th Doctor]I don't like it![/10th Doctor]

The design is pretty meh, and I don't like the fact that this has an IR-touchscreen.

I've been told that IR is better than capacitive... (can someone confirm this???) and they don't say great things about the T68 touchscreen response, hopefully this one is better.

And i quite like the design, I like the fact that one of the borders is wider so you can hold the device better and well even if it isn't terribly beautiful its ok, and kind of remind of a book with this thing in the left border.

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by diegoocampo

I've been told that IR is better than capacitive... (can someone confirm this???) and they don't say great things about the T68 touchscreen response, hopefully this one is better.

And i quite like the design, I like the fact that one of the borders is wider so you can hold the device better and well even if it isn't terribly beautiful its ok, and kind of remind of a book with this thing in the left border.

I think Pocketbook's InkPad is better designed.

[Booxtor]

Originally Posted by diegoocampo

I've been told that IR is better than capacitive... (can someone confirm this???)
...

IR touch screen means - there is no additional touch layer, which could lower contrast ratio. I can confirm that black on IR touch screen looks quite darker than on screen with capacitive touch (even on last improved modification of capacitive layer)
Regarding accuracy - IR touch is quite comparable with capacitive technique.
Both are actually not really designed for scribble annotation regardless on what device - EINK Reader or Ipad.

Regarding problem with touch screen inaccuracy on some T68 devices - the accuracy will be improved - our engineers work on it )

Originally Posted by Booxtor

IR touch screen means - there is no additional touch layer, which could lower contrast ratio. I can confirm that black on IR touch screen looks quite darker than on screen with capacitive touch (even on last improved modification of capacitive layer)
Regarding accuracy - IR touch is quite comparable with capacitive technique.
Both are actually not really designed for scribble annotation regardless on what device - EINK Reader or Ipad.

Regarding problem with touch screen inaccuracy on some T68 devices - the accuracy will be improved - our engineers work on it )

Any expected date of releasing of Onyx boox i86?

[luby]

Originally Posted by Neverm0re

Now that both T68 and M96 are out, does anyone know anything about the release date of i86?

Do you think that the screen density of i86 (250 PPI) would provide a significant improvement for reading PDFs (e.g. textbooks) compared to current 9.7" readers (150 PPI)?

On a related note, here are a few interesting photos showing M92, T68 and Kobo Aura HD.

Onyx International are advertising I86 wholesale with minimum purchase of 2000 units. So I imagine that it really depends on current resellers in Europe if and when we'll be able to buy one. Investing your own funds into procurement of 2000 units without being able to get a sample first is a risky proposition. I asked Artatech when they'll stock I86 and they told me only to keep checking their web site. I did not get a reply from EREADER-STORE.DE
yet for some reason.

Onyx International should generate a demand by posting videos of I86 in action, rather than waiting for resellers to place the wholesale orders.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Booxtor

IR touch screen means - there is no additional touch layer, which could lower contrast ratio. I can confirm that black on IR touch screen looks quite darker than on screen with capacitive touch (even on last improved modification of capacitive layer)

I must respectfully disagree. The capacitive touch screen is not so much a physical "layer" as a chemical coating on the screen, and is completely transparent. It should really have no visible impact on the screen contrast. The reason that almost all manufacturers have switched from IR touch screens back to capacitive ones, is that capacitive touch screens are more accurate and reliable. Onyx are rather an anomaly in switching the other way!

[machinogodzilla]

Originally Posted by HarryT

The capacitive touch screen is not so much a physical "layer" as a chemical coating on the screen

What else is a chemical coating on the screen if not a physical layer? Normally what they mean by 'transparent' is high optical transmission (~90%) as opposed to full optical transmission.

Here is a nice article on different touch panel sensing methods from a display manufacturer. In particular see the summary at the end which rates the light transmittance of capacitive panels at 'good' and IR panels at 'excellent'.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by machinogodzilla

What else is a chemical coating on the screen if not a physical layer? Normally what they mean by 'transparent' is high optical transmission (~90%) as opposed to full optical transmission.

This is technically true, of course. I meant that it's not a "thick" layer - it's not like looking through an additional sheet of plastic or glass.

There is a reason why pretty much every mainstream reader manufacturer who tried out IR touchscreens has gone back to capacitive touchscreens, and that's simply because the IR screens have proven to be unreliable and inaccurate.

Originally Posted by HarryT

This is technically true, of course. I meant that it's not a "thick" layer - it's not like looking through an additional sheet of plastic or glass.

There is a reason why pretty much every mainstream reader manufacturer who tried out IR touchscreens has gone back to capacitive touchscreens, and that's simply because the IR screens have proven to be unreliable and inaccurate.

There is significant differences in contrast between Kobo aura hd and onyx boox t68 which use the exact screen sine the touch technology