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Old 05-21-2014, 05:28 PM   #16
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A long but interesting article on ebook buying/usage/terms etc. for Canadian libraries.
http://www.culc.ca/news/file.axd?fil...aries+2014.pdf
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An interesting article, speakingtohe. Thanks.
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Old 05-23-2014, 06:45 PM   #18
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The price is set by the author, but it defaults to the retail price. However, Overdrive has a minimum price of $1.99 because of DRM costs, so if the author sets a price of less than $1.99, the library will be charged $1.99.
But Smashwords doesn't use DRM. And OverDrive offers DRM-free books as well. So where is the cost of the DRM coming from, if OverDrive isn't applying DRM to the books?

Unless Smashwords is using DRM for library loans? (reasonable...)
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That is the big question.
Most libraries seem totally wedded to the review catalogs and more than a few librarian blogs are possitively hostile to indies.
But sooner or later they have to realize indies comprise 25-35 percent of *new* book sales.
My library has been very responsive when I've recommended titles to them. They've bought about 95% of the ones I've suggested, which makes me a very happy reader.
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But Smashwords doesn't use DRM. And OverDrive offers DRM-free books as well. So where is the cost of the DRM coming from, if OverDrive isn't applying DRM to the books?

Unless Smashwords is using DRM for library loans? (reasonable...)
I suspect Smashwords provides a plain ePub, and Overdrive adds the DRM. Similarly, Sony (and Diesel, I think) applied DRM to Smashwords-supplied books.
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I suspect Smashwords provides a plain ePub, and Overdrive adds the DRM. Similarly, Sony (and Diesel, I think) applied DRM to Smashwords-supplied books.
For library use, DRM use is necessary: those are loans, not giveaways.
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For library use, DRM use is necessary: those are loans, not giveaways.
Overdrive offers Open epub (Carina Press, for instance).
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Overdrive offers Open epub (Carina Press, for instance).
And you can keep them forever and they never expire?
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And you can keep them forever and they never expire?

Yes if you don't remove them.
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Yes if you don't remove them.
So they're not loans but rather freebies, like the Baen free library.
Fine if the publisher is cool with it.
Actual loans need DRM, though.
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So they're not loans but rather freebies, like the Baen free library.
Fine if the publisher is cool with it.
Actual loans need DRM, though.
Officially you are on the honor system to remove them.

The publisher is OK with no DRM, apparently they trust the readers. DRM hinders you reading the book freely, even within the context of library loans. (how to put ADE EPUBs on a Kindle?? Open EPUB allows that with library loans even without a Kindle Checkout option.) I assumed OverDrive doesn't care about DRM unless the publisher does.

So the question is, do Smashwords titles have DRM in OverDrive? I guess we will just have to wait and see....
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So they're not loans but rather freebies, like the Baen free library.
Fine if the publisher is cool with it.
Actual loans need DRM, though.
They are not freebies. They are loans on the honor system just like the loans of MP3 audiobooks.
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So the question is, do Smashwords titles have DRM in OverDrive? I guess we will just have to wait and see....
Since Smashwords have said that all books (including freebies) will have a minimum price of $1.99 via Overdrive, because of DRM overheads, it would appear that they will.
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Since Smashwords have said that all books (including freebies) will have a minimum price of $1.99 via Overdrive, because of DRM overheads, it would appear that they will.
Apparently, they aren't inclined to bet their authors' sales on the honor system.
(Plus, authors get to opt-in to library distribution. They need to get as many as possible to opt-in. Hence, DRM.)
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The trouble with open epub non-DRM library books is they can't be returned early. If you borrow one and finish it in a day you are stuck with it taking up one of your checkouts until the loan period expires. If your library allows only a few checkouts at a time, this can be a problem. I avoid borrowing open epub library books for this reason. If my library starts carrying Smashwords books I hope they will have library DRM.
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