Embedding fonts - strange issue

[booklover6]

Originally Posted by jswinden

I haven't tried the Charis Modified yet, but to my eyes the modified Deja Vu doesn't look much darker or thicker than the supplied Caecilia. I would definitely have to bold it to make it work. It is also a tad wider per character, meaning you get less words per line. That makes a huge difference on a 6" screen, especially since the PW2 doesn't hyphenate. I hate large gaps in justified lines and large gaps at the end of left aligned lines.

You should try it, so you can see which you like best.

I will be rooting the instant a user friendly root is available, just so I can get hyphenation. What is wrong with these companies making a fine product with so many flaws!

[Katsunami]

Originally Posted by jswinden

I haven't tried the Charis Modified yet, but to my eyes the modified Deja Vu doesn't look much darker or thicker than the supplied Caecilia.

It wasn't intended to be. I think Caecilia is actually too fat.

The reason I modified DejaVu Serif is me, myself, and I. I like DejaVu Serif; not only the typeface, but also the fact that it has about 3000 glyphs, giving you everything but the kitchen sink. I can strip out any font I want and still have the correct characters for about any language, past and present, should it be required. (If a book uses something like WingDings, then I'm still screwed.)

I would definitely have to bold it to make it work.

With all due respect, but I think the fatness you require a font to be is probably unique. I don't think you will ever find a font that will have its normal typeface be as bold as a "normal bold" font, and the bold typeface be bolder still.

It is also a tad wider per character, meaning you get less words per line. That makes a huge difference on a 6" screen, especially since the PW2 doesn't hyphenate. I hate large gaps in justified lines and large gaps at the end of left aligned lines.

Nope; it's exactly as wide as Caecilia, but has less line height. At size 4, which I use most, DejaVu Serif fits 3 more lines of text onto the screen as compared to Caecilia.

However, it Caecilia Condensed makes it up by using very narrow letters; it fits one more line as compared to DejaVu Serif. See the attachments. (DejaVu Serif, Caecilia, and Caecilia Condensed, in that order.) I am thinking about modifying DejaVu Serif Condensed, which I estimate will fit 2, maybe three more lines of text as compared to Caecilia Condensed.

Originally Posted by booklover6

I will be rooting the instant a user friendly root is available, just so I can get hyphenation. What is wrong with these companies making a fine product with so many flaws!

Jswinden, and Booklover6: run your books through the Hyphenate This! plugin before you upload them. It can use an OpenOffice hyphenation dictionary to put in soft hyphens, in EPUB and AZW3. The Kindle Paperwhite supports this. You can see this in the attachment already:

1st: be-fore
2nd: Whis-per, be-fore
3rd: dart-ing, re-ceding

With regard to companies leaving out obvious features: just because it's cheaper to develop and easier to support if you have less features. If they put in auto-hyphenation, they would need to do that for all languages, or make statements like: "Supports auto-hyphenation, but only in English, German and French."

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Font wars.

[GoSharks]

While Caecilia charis-hed her moments with Amasis, she couldn't shed her feelings of deja vu..... (I love a good tear-jerker)

I just tried CharisSIL Modified. A beautiful font, but way too thin for my tastes. On my PW2 it is rendered thinner than Caecilia.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

That is your opinion.

Charis SIL Modified has several problems with kerning, such as the "hi" combination.

The number of PM's I got with regard to my own modified fonts prove that there is a significant number of people that also don't think Charis is the one font to rule them all

And I've gotten a number of PMs about Charis SIL (modified and Modified Larger). Let's not get into a font war here. All I was doing was making a suggestion based on the screen cap of the font sample earlier on in this thread. I happened to not like any of those fonts used.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by jswinden

I haven't tried the Charis Modified yet, but to my eyes the modified Deja Vu doesn't look much darker or thicker than the supplied Caecilia. I would definitely have to bold it to make it work. It is also a tad wider per character, meaning you get less words per line. That makes a huge difference on a 6" screen, especially since the PW2 doesn't hyphenate. I hate large gaps in justified lines and large gaps at the end of left aligned lines.

Charis SIL is a narrower font and does give more characters per line.

[GoSharks]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

With regard to companies leaving out obvious features: just because it's cheaper to develop and easier to support if you have less features. If they put in auto-hyphenation, they would need to do that for all languages, or make statements like: "Supports auto-hyphenation, but only in English, German and French."

Think of the money Amazon would make if they sold functional hyphenation dictionaries / modules for different languages that worked with their products...you could buy them or not. I certainly would!!

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Charis SIL is a narrower font and does give more characters per line.

I saw that. Like I said it is a beautiful font, but I had trouble reading it because it is so thin. The PW2 has a light layer that makes fonts look less contrasty.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by jswinden

I just tried CharisSIL Modified. A beautiful font, but way too thin for my tastes. On my PW2 it is rendered thinner than Caecilia.

Please give Charis SIL Modified Larger a go and see what you think. It was made to be a little bit larger because some found the Modified Charis SIL to be a little too small.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/br...fiedLarger.rar

What I can do is bolden more the Charis SIL Bold versions and let the current bold versions be the regular versions if that would help.

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Please give Charis SIL Modified Larger a go and see what you think. It was made to be a little bit larger because some found the Modified Charis SIL to be a little too small.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/br...fiedLarger.rar

What I can do is bolden more the Charis SIL Bold versions and let the current bold versions be the regular versions if that would help.

Thanks. Yes that would help. I think CharisSIL, Deja Vu, and other fonts would look better on non-lit Kindles. It is that darn plastic light layer they add to the PW2 that causes fonts to lose contrast. We are actually seeing the eInk screen through a plastic layer. It isn't as bad as the old Sony PRS-700 by any means, but it does degrade the way fonts are seen a little bit.

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Originally Posted by GoSharks

While Caecilia charis-hed her moments with Amasis, she couldn't shed her feelings of deja vu..... (I love a good tear-jerker)

Me too. On a sour note, word has it that a big fight is going down behind the MR shed tonight.

[sparklemotion]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Please give Charis SIL Modified Larger a go and see what you think. It was made to be a little bit larger because some found the Modified Charis SIL to be a little too small.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/br...fiedLarger.rar

What I can do is bolden more the Charis SIL Bold versions and let the current bold versions be the regular versions if that would help.

Nice! I'd love to see this too!

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by jswinden

Thanks. Yes that would help. I think CharisSIL, Deja Vu, and other fonts would look better on non-lit Kindles. It is that darn plastic light layer they add to the PW2 that causes fonts to lose contrast. We are actually seeing the eInk screen through a plastic layer. It isn't as bad as the old Sony PRS-700 by any means, but it does degrade the way fonts are seen a little bit.

I'll give it a go later on today and post a link for it.

[sparklemotion]

Originally Posted by GoSharks

Not picking a side in which is better....I will say they are BOTH a significant improvement over the stock fonts. I thank BOTH of you!

I agree! Thanks to the both of you for your work on them and for sharing. None of the Amazon fonts work well for me so it's great to have better options.