Paperwhite Second Gen: First Impressions - Page 49

shanghaichica · 10-06-2013, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dee Q

Don't you think it'd be more comfortable to the eyes?

BTW, I'm still waiting for my PaperWhite and the wait is definitely killing me (slowly).

It probably would be. I use my gen 1 paperwhite at level 3 in the dark and the light is warm and very comfortable, but in most of the pics I've seen the new paperwhite looks too yellow.

Aww I know the feeling. I remember the wait for my paperwhite last year.

aceflor · 10-06-2013, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Helgetus

I am not a native speaker - obviously - but I was a little annoyed when I did not get a reply to my first post.

Yes, I am aware of the fact that the PW will not be available in Germany before 9 Oct. Nevertheless I expect hyphenation to work as well in English text however less frequent.

Ich erhalte meins erst am 16, daher kann ich Dich leider nicht helfen.

gouni · 10-06-2013, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sparklemotion

Before I returned my PW2's, I took a comparison shot between them showing a book cover. I thought I may as well post it to give an idea how much more washed out my PW2 was in comparison to my PW1. The font looked like it had a haze over it. This was the case on both my PW2s. For whatever reason it was a bit more difficult for me to capture the difference with text with my camera, but in a photo it became easily apparent.

This is the same defect as some Kobo Aura HD.

A yellow veil on the screen.

It must come from their supplier in Asia?

soulfuldog · 10-06-2013, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by charmian

Was it like this last year with the Paperwhite 1? I am thinking about getting a PW2 but might wait if there's a chance that the defects will become fewer down the line.

There was definitely an improvement over time, so if you are happy to wait a few months, it might be worthwhile doing so. In saying that, it's a hassle and cost-free process to return one for a refund if you order from Amazon and have any problems with it. So I do think it is worth giving it a try, there are plenty of people who are very happy with their new PW.

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Originally Posted by Josieb1

I've cancelled my pre order today, it's just too much trouble right now. Maybe next year when things have settled I'll think about it again but right now the 'will I get a good one, or won't I' is just one issue too much.

As above, you have nothing to lose by getting your PW and seeing what you think of it. Easy to return it and just get your money back if you aren't happy with it, at least you'll have seen one with your own eyes instead of just giving up on it in case you get one that's got a flaw? I haven't pre-ordered, but still plan on ordering one to at least try it.

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Originally Posted by kaibob

I received my Kindle Paperwhite (PW) yesterday, which replaces my Kindle Keyboard (KK). I thought I would make some quick comments for those considering a similar upgrade.

Do you still have your Kindle Keyboard, and if so, do you think there is much difference between the screens and the text between the two (in daylight with the PW light as low as possible)?

I really like the screen & text on my KK, and won't upgrade if I find the screen & text is not at least comparable in daylight.

Josieb1 · 10-06-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by l_macd

you have nothing to lose by getting your PW and seeing what you think of it. Easy to return it and just get your money back if you aren't happy with it, at least you'll have seen one with your own eyes instead of just giving up on it in case you get one that's got a flaw? I haven't pre-ordered, but still plan on ordering one to at least try it.

I have illness in the family That has taken a turn for the worse, the last thing I can deal with right now is a new Kindle. I'll stick with what I have for now.

xendula · 10-06-2013, 10:59 AM

Helgetus, I just loaded two different German books and there is no hyphenation. I wonder if it depends on the coding for them, though? These were ePubs that I converted myself.
ETA: I just checked a regular Kindle book bought from Amazon, and there is still no hyphenation.

For anyone who is wondering why that matters, languages like German have very long compound words. There is a single German word for something like: "school backpack factory" or "parking lot management office".

xendula · 10-06-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Josieb1

I have illness in the family That has taken a turn for the worse, the last thing I can deal with right now is a new Kindle. I'll stick with what I have for now.

Sorry to hear that, and it is probably the best decision for now, being how the quality of the PW2s may imrpove over time, anyway. I think I'll send mine back and try again in a few months as well.

aceflor · 10-06-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Josieb1

I have illness in the family That has taken a turn for the worse, the last thing I can deal with right now is a new Kindle. I'll stick with what I have for now.

My thoughts are with you:

ixtab · 10-06-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Helgetus

Does the PW2 use hyphenation?

I don't have a PW2, so I can't really give a complete answer. Anyway, even the Kindle Touch's firmware already included basic support for hyphenation (for KF7 only), but didn't make use of it. I assume that it's something similar now for KF8, judging by xendula's reply.

Just because a hyphenation library is present somewhere doesn't mean that it's actually used. You need more than merely a basic library to do hyphenation correctly, most importantly: language-specific rules. And I don't find a trace of such rules anywhere in the PW2 firmware.

sparklemotion · 10-06-2013, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Josieb1

I have illness in the family That has taken a turn for the worse, the last thing I can deal with right now is a new Kindle. I'll stick with what I have for now.

I'm so sorry to hear that. I will be keeping you and your family in my thoughts.

Yolina · 10-06-2013, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Josieb1

I have illness in the family That has taken a turn for the worse.

Don't hesitate to PM if you need to vent and rant or whatever

Barty · 10-06-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Helgetus

I don't usually quote myself but usually I get a response.

Hyphenation

Does the PW2 use hyphenation?

No. If it does I have not seen it. Nor have I seen any hyphenation option.

Barty · 10-06-2013, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by l_macd

Do you still have your Kindle Keyboard, and if so, do you think there is much difference between the screens and the text between the two (in daylight with the PW light as low as possible)?

I really like the screen & text on my KK, and won't upgrade if I find the screen & text is not at least comparable in daylight.

I have a KK. Fwiw, the black on the KK is very noticeably darker (this is comparing the built in Caecilia and helvetica fonts). The background on the KK is also lighter and neutral gray ; the pw2 it is darker and yellowish. I have to turn the light on the pw2 to about 9 to match the KK background with indoor daylight.

It does not help that the built in fonts on the pw2 are very light, and it does not allow you to load custom fonts. But even when I embed a thicker font in azw3 files, it's still not as readable as the KK because the "ink" is just not as dark. This may be ok with other people, but for me, I rather have dark text albeit with darker background than light text with really white background. As an analogy, I'd rather read a newspaper with dark print rather than a glossy magazine with faint text. YMMV.

Helgetus · 10-06-2013, 03:32 PM

Thank you all for looking into the hyphenation question.

So Amazon is preparing for a future update. Or maybe not if this is the case since the Kindle Touch.

Helgetus · 10-06-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Barty

I have a KK. Fwiw, the black on the KK is very noticeably darker (this is comparing the built in Caecilia and helvetica fonts). The background on the KK is also lighter and neutral gray ; the pw2 it is darker and yellowish. I have to turn the light on the pw2 to about 9 to match the KK background with indoor daylight.

It does not help that the built in fonts on the pw2 are very light, and it does not allow you to load custom fonts. But even when I embed a thicker font in azw3 files, it's still not as readable as the KK because the "ink" is just not as dark. This may be ok with other people, but for me, I rather have dark text albeit with darker background than light text with really white background. As an analogy, I'd rather read a newspaper with dark print rather than a glossy magazine with faint text. YMMV.

I still have my KK 3G and I permanently using my PW 1st gen. With the light on the PW switched off (as far as possible) the font identical, i.e. same book with publisher font Caecilia in this case) my verdict is: The KK is at least as black, if not very slightly darker and the back ground is slightly lighter grey.
The round letters, in particular the rounded letters, look more crisp on the PW. That is of course due to the higher resolution.
Since I read only with the light on, the PW has more contrast than the KK. I set the light to level 13 during the day and to level 1, 2, or 3 for night reading (dark room). During twilight I set it to 6 or 7.
The PW2 has to be better than the PW1. Else it goes back to Amazon.

10-06-2013, 10:59 AM	#726
xendula eBookworm Posts: 2,300 Karma: 4525746 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: East Coast brrrrr Device: Kindle 4B/K ~ Nexus 7 ~ Kindle Paperwhite 1&2 ~ iPad Air	Helgetus, I just loaded two different German books and there is no hyphenation. I wonder if it depends on the coding for them, though? These were ePubs that I converted myself. ETA: I just checked a regular Kindle book bought from Amazon, and there is still no hyphenation. For anyone who is wondering why that matters, languages like German have very long compound words. There is a single German word for something like: "school backpack factory" or "parking lot management office". Last edited by xendula; 10-06-2013 at 11:07 AM.

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Helgetus Zealot Posts: 107 Karma: 172 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Germany Device: PW1, PW2, KB3G, Sony PRS-T3	Thank you all for looking into the hyphenation question. So Amazon is preparing for a future update. Or maybe not if this is the case since the Kindle Touch.