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Old 07-24-2013, 11:21 PM   #211
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I had the mistaken impression that an underline was the indication of a possible action?
That's the old way of doing it. The Touch, and I assume the Mini, still use underlines. I don't see any on the Glo.
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:27 PM   #212
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That's the old way of doing it. The Touch, and I assume the Mini, still use underlines. I don't see any on the Glo.
Could be, I perhaps didn't get the updated user manual? A tad too subtle for me I guess, maybe dancing doggies or scary clowns beside it would clue me in faster.

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The Glo manual was updated June 3rd and is at http://download.kobobooks.com/magent...erguide_en.pdf

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Here's the thing: when I'm adjusting it while reading at night, it takes me a while to get it just right. As a result, I'm in there 3, or 4, or 5 times in a short period of time. Those extra taps add up, especially when I have to press that annoyingly small brightness icon.
Why would you need to adjust it so often? When I turn on the light, it comes on at the last setting I used and I rarely change that setting. I'd suggest giving your eyes a chance to adjust for a few minutes before changing the brightness. Admittedly, the only time I use the light is in the bedroom and the XYL prefers pitch black as the light level for sleeping so the ambient lighting is pretty consistent at non-existent.

Perhaps you should be pitching for an automatic screen brightness control? Add a sensor and adjust the brightness based on ambient light.

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Old 07-24-2013, 11:53 PM   #215
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Maybe I'm out of the usual way of things, but I'd really like a hardware brightness control.
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Could be, I perhaps didn't get the updated user manual? A tad too subtle for me I guess, maybe dancing doggies or scary clowns beside it would clue me in faster.
You have "interesting" ideas for GUI design
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Old 07-25-2013, 12:19 AM   #217
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Maybe I'm out of the usual way of things, but I'd really like a hardware brightness control.
Even using the one button they could do it. Press to turn on, hold to go through brightness levels.
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Old 07-25-2013, 12:30 AM   #218
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I will admit a prejudice for being able to adjust the brightness level with as much of a page from the book in view as possible. It really does make sense as the amount of white space on the page is directly related to overall brightness/contrast. Because of that I'd prefer not seeing the menu bars at top and bottom during adjustment, and only seeing as narrow a brightness adjustment bar displayed over the text as is needed for comfortable access, preferably at display bottom.

I'll take it one step farther and ask why they can't simply use a long press of the Light button to bring up the dialog for brightness control, and a night mode option, since such an elegant and simple method has been found to work? Granted the night mode is not perfect due to the way contrast is slanted to improve normal text display with e_ink displays, but that certainly doesn't prevent the brightness dialog from being called up that way.

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Apparently great minds not only think alike, they do it at virtually the same time...
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Hi all, a quick question, my Aura is still on 2.6.1, I did not get the b update yet nor this 2.8.1 is that normal? Should I have at least received 2.6.1b by now? Thanks!
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Here's the thing: when I'm adjusting it while reading at night, it takes me a while to get it just right. As a result, I'm in there 3, or 4, or 5 times in a short period of time. Those extra taps add up, especially when I have to press that annoyingly small brightness icon.
Sorry, but after your "~75" taps comment, I think you are just exaggerating again to make a point. I just don't believe that you can't tell from the settings screen if the brightness is correct, and even if you can't, I don't believe that after taking a day or two to fiddle with it you don't know that 10% or 15% or whatever is the right number. I understand you have taken a position and are sticking with it, but you seem far too intelligent for me to believe that every night you have to go into the brightness settings as many as five times in order to figure out how much backlight you need.


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I stand by the characterization as an absolutely rubbish UI design. Then again, despite the fact that I'm a person who, for example, built my own PCs for more than 25 years, gave it up because I got fed up with Microsoft's garbage UI, and switched to Macs, which, after a year, I don't regret at all.
Why do people always give your C.V. on the internet when they are trying to make a point? Do you feel your argument is stronger because you don't like Microsoft's UI? DO you think its more convincing because you switched to a Mac? I built PCs for about fifteen years and switched to Macs about ten years ago. Are my arguments better then yours because I realized that the Mac UI was garbage 9 years before you did?

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Perhaps I've become more particular. I know there's nothing that I find more irritating than a UI that makes it difficult for me, the U in UI, to do what I want to do easily, efficiently, and pleasantly.
I get it. I get it. You believe that on a function that some people will do a couple of times a day and some people will do a couple of times a week, and some people will almost never do at all, one tap and then move a slider is easy, efficient, and pleasant. Three taps and move a slider is absolutely rubbish.

I have to ask, what would two taps and move a slider be?

In any case, I remain unconvinced. It feels to me like you are only concerned about this one use-case. What about people who want to adjust the brightness from the main page? Would you put the brightness controls in both spots? How many other functions would you move to the book page? Do you consider the brightness control a system level function or a reading function? Can you see any value to putting all the system level functions together? Can you see any value to keeping the reading page as simple as possible?

Again, it seems to me that you are just arguing from the perspective of getting as few taps as possible for this one use-case. Perhaps if you think about the whole UI, you will decide that there was some value in Kobo's decision, and perhaps you will decide it wasn't completely a mistake after all, even if it wasn't a perfect decision for your use.
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Hi all, a quick question, my Aura is still on 2.6.1, I did not get the b update yet nor this 2.8.1 is that normal? Should I have at least received 2.6.1b by now? Thanks!
Kobo phase the rollout of new firmware. They do it using some rules based on their partners, which basically means who you bought it from. If you haven't gotten 2.8.1 yet, it's just a matter of time.

2.6.1b was different. It was a small change to fix something. It would only have gone out to people who didn't already have 2.6.1 installed, or who did a factory reset after 2.6.1b was released.
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Hi all, a quick question, my Aura is still on 2.6.1, I did not get the b update yet nor this 2.8.1 is that normal? Should I have at least received 2.6.1b by now? Thanks!
Unfortunately once you have any build of a given release you will never be given a newer build of that release unless you do a factory reset. I.e. 2.6.1 will never be upgraded to what we call 2.6.1b since it is the same version.

Also deployments of new versions like 2.8.1 are staggered so you might have to wait a few more days for it.
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Kobo phase the rollout of new firmware. They do it using some rules based on their partners, which basically means who you bought it from. If you haven't gotten 2.8.1 yet, it's just a matter of time.

2.6.1b was different. It was a small change to fix something. It would only have gone out to people who didn't already have 2.6.1 installed, or who did a factory reset after 2.6.1b was released.
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If this allows at least one person to avoid some of my mistakes, it will serve its purpose.

Upgrading Glo

I tried to upgrade from 2.5.1. to 2.8.1. I thought it was an elementary task.

- Using "sync" only managed to perfect - after a long time using Wifi - my 2.5.1. firmware.
- After that, I reinitialized my Glo (long press + light button press), it wiped all my books, took me quite a long time to finally land in 2.6.1.
- This time, I looked for information, downloaded the 2.8.1. firmware, side-loaded it in .kobo folder (upgrade + manifest + koboroot) and finally got it working.

Morals

1. R.T.F.M. (the wiki is OK too...)
2. Save everything before, you never know
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