Screwed by Tor again... - Page 10

Taylor514ce · 08-22-2008, 11:00 AM

Thread Convergence Alert, Thread Convergence Alert!!

zelda_pinwheel · 08-22-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Taylor514ce

Thread Convergence Alert, Thread Convergence Alert!!

JSWolf · 08-22-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Patricia

If Tor offered me some money then I'd convert them.

I would love a job converting Tor books into eBooks.

RWood · 08-22-2008, 11:11 AM

It is a lot like the old publishers that refused to move from clay tablets to paper for their books. They saw sales drop off. Maybe Tor will follow through with what they said and publish ebooks, maybe they won't and whoever picks up the pieces of Tor will release them in ebook form. The future choices are their choices.

GeoffC · 08-22-2008, 11:12 AM

the future is a very big space....

Taylor514ce · 08-22-2008, 11:12 AM

Make the offer. Why not, what's to lose? It would be wonderfully ironic. MobileRead to the rescue! Make it official, not in a thread on the non-TOR TOR site. Write an email or letter to Baen and TOR management. We're so eager for this to work, we offer our services.

igorsk · 08-22-2008, 11:24 AM

You could try contacting Arnold Bailey of Webwrights... some people on Baen's Bar are speculating that he now has to upgrade his infrastructure and possibly hire more people to handle Tor's more extensive book output. So maybe he could use some people actually used to working with ebooks. BTW he's abailey here on forums.

Lemurion · 08-22-2008, 12:28 PM

I think igorsk is probably right. Unless he has upgraded his systems significantly Arnold may not have the bandwidth or server resources to handle the Tor side of things as well as his existing commitments. I know there have been past issues with his connection that have interfered with both Webscriptions and the Bar.

So I would think it's best to see how things work out.

pdurrant · 08-22-2008, 01:40 PM

Having a monopoly is not illegal.

It is using one monoploy to gain another that is illegal.

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Ok, then TOR is not at fault here. That's a relief. Anyway, would this be considered a monopoly which is illegal in the USA? It basically ties the content to the Kindle with no chance for it being available on other devices.

JSWolf · 08-22-2008, 01:53 PM

So why was AT&T broken up for being a monopoly?

GntlmnBndt · 08-22-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

So why was AT&T broken up for being a monopoly?

From the website of the Federal Trade Commission:

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While it is not illegal to have a monopoly position in a market, the antitrust laws make it unlawful to maintain or attempt to create a monopoly through tactics that either unreasonably exclude firms from the market or significantly impair their ability to compete. A single firm may commit a violation through its unilateral actions, or a violation may result if a group of firms work together to monopolize a market.

The original page is http://www.ftc.gov/bc/compguide/maintain.htm

The Bandit

P.S. In the case of AT&T, the other companies were MCI, Sprint and other early attempts at long distance companies.

JSWolf · 08-22-2008, 02:04 PM

Tactics like giving Terry Goodkind a Kindle and not letting him know about the competition before his signing the contract is quite shifty (IMHO). It significantly impairs other firms from competing for sales of his eBooks.

Greg Anos · 08-22-2008, 02:08 PM

Remember a copyright is a government-granted monopoly, not subject to anti-trust regulations. It's competition is other copyrights and expired PD materials.

slayda · 08-22-2008, 03:35 PM

But as I've said in another post, if you don't first buy a Kindle, Amazon will not even sell you a Kindle ebook.

Over · 08-22-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

cs like giving Terry Goodkind a Kindle and not letting him know about the competition before his signing the contract is quite shifty (IMHO). It significantly impairs other firms from competing for sales of his eBooks.

If I were Terry and saw "exclusive" in a contract, I would have assumed there's other ebook shops and ereaders.

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Taylor514ce Actively passive. Posts: 2,042 Karma: 478376 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: US Device: Sony PRS-505/LC	Thread Convergence Alert, Thread Convergence Alert!!

08-22-2008, 11:11 AM	#139
RWood Technogeezer Posts: 7,233 Karma: 1601464 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Device: Sony PRS-500	It is a lot like the old publishers that refused to move from clay tablets to paper for their books. They saw sales drop off. Maybe Tor will follow through with what they said and publish ebooks, maybe they won't and whoever picks up the pieces of Tor will release them in ebook form. The future choices are their choices.

08-22-2008, 11:12 AM	#140
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	the future is a very big space....

08-22-2008, 11:12 AM	#141
Taylor514ce Actively passive. Posts: 2,042 Karma: 478376 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: US Device: Sony PRS-505/LC	Make the offer. Why not, what's to lose? It would be wonderfully ironic. MobileRead to the rescue! Make it official, not in a thread on the non-TOR TOR site. Write an email or letter to Baen and TOR management. We're so eager for this to work, we offer our services.

08-22-2008, 11:24 AM	#142
igorsk Wizard Posts: 3,442 Karma: 300001 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Belgium Device: PRS-500/505/700, Kindle, Cybook Gen3, Words Gear	You could try contacting Arnold Bailey of Webwrights... some people on Baen's Bar are speculating that he now has to upgrade his infrastructure and possibly hire more people to handle Tor's more extensive book output. So maybe he could use some people actually used to working with ebooks. BTW he's abailey here on forums.

08-22-2008, 12:28 PM	#143
Lemurion eReader Posts: 2,750 Karma: 4968470 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Note 5; PW3; Nook HD+; ChuWi Hi12; iPad	I think igorsk is probably right. Unless he has upgraded his systems significantly Arnold may not have the bandwidth or server resources to handle the Tor side of things as well as his existing commitments. I know there have been past issues with his connection that have interfered with both Webscriptions and the Bar. So I would think it's best to see how things work out.

08-22-2008, 01:53 PM	#145
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,782 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	So why was AT&T broken up for being a monopoly?

08-22-2008, 02:04 PM	#147
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,782 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Tactics like giving Terry Goodkind a Kindle and not letting him know about the competition before his signing the contract is quite shifty (IMHO). It significantly impairs other firms from competing for sales of his eBooks.

08-22-2008, 02:08 PM	#148
Greg Anos Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,546 Karma: 37057604 Join Date: Jan 2008 Device: Pocketbook	Remember a copyright is a government-granted monopoly, not subject to anti-trust regulations. It's competition is other copyrights and expired PD materials.

08-22-2008, 03:35 PM	#149
slayda Retired & reading more! Posts: 2,764 Karma: 1884247 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Alabama, USA Device: Kindle 1, iPad Air 2, iPhone 6S+, Kobo Aura One	But as I've said in another post, if you don't first buy a Kindle, Amazon will not even sell you a Kindle ebook.