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|  12-30-2012, 03:13 PM | #46 | 
| monkey on the fringe            Posts: 45,846 Karma: 158733736 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Seattle Metro Device: Moto E6, Echo Show | |
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|  12-30-2012, 11:01 PM | #47 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 2,776 Karma: 30081762 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: US Device: ALL DEVICES ARE STOCK:  Kobo Clara, Tolino Shine 2, Sony PRS-T3, T1 | 
			
			I'd have to see how much the library subscription service cost, and what the selection was like, before deciding if I were interested.  As for music, I listen mainly to my local public radio station, and I am a contributing member, so I suppose in a way that is a subscription. | 
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|  12-30-2012, 11:02 PM | #48 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,612 Karma: 9211856 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: kindle Oasis 2018, kindle 4 NT, kindle PW2, iPhone, iPad mini | 
			
			I can hook my iphone up to my home stereo system (or really anything with an audio in) to listen to pandora.  The only issue is if someone tries to call me.
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|  12-31-2012, 04:07 AM | #49 | 
| Banned            Posts: 304 Karma: 6102528 Join Date: Mar 2012 Device: Kindle | 
			
			Pandora has 1.5 million paying subscribers ($36 a year).  That's not a bad # considering their free service is also available on mobile devices.   The on-demand music side like Spotify doesn't allow free music on mobile devices (in hope to tempt listeners to switch). http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/perm...k1gfgJzwEVjE8Q  Muve Music should be at around 1 million right about now since the number above isn't up to date. It is poised to overtake Rhapsody and Spotify in USA paid subscribers in the very near future. Because every Android phones you buy with Cricket (a regional prepaid carrier with 6 million customers) will come with Muve Music bundle along with your smartphone service ($50 a month for unlimited music download + unlimited talk/text and 1GB of data). Not sure why Sirius XM is on the list because they only pay 8% of their revenue as music royalties. They are a subscription service but music is only a part of their overall subscription. eMusic is another interesting player and has been stagnate (maybe even decline) ever since the streaming took off. p.s. Just waiting for the IFPI to announce 2012 subscription # worldwide. Even a modest 35% increase would bring it to over 18 million subscribers worldwide. 2010: 8.2 million paying subscribers 2011: 13.4 million paying subscribers (growth of 63%) 2012: ?----------(18 million if the growth rate slow down to 35%) 2013: ? 2014: ? 2015: ? 2016: ? Just the biggest 2 (Spotify and Deezer) right now combined for 8 million paying subscribers. Last edited by Top100EbooksRank; 12-31-2012 at 04:17 AM. | 
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|  12-31-2012, 05:28 AM | #50 | 
| Surfin the alpha waves ~~            Posts: 26,716 Karma: 459765791 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: New Jersey Device: Jetbook Lite & Mini, Nook STR, Kobo, Hanvon N516, Kindle 2, Androids | 
			
			Hmmm ... those are good numbers for Deezer.  I used to be a member but they apparently kicked me off when they dropped service to the US.
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|  12-31-2012, 09:29 AM | #51 | 
| Member            Posts: 17 Karma: 475352 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Germany Device: Kindle | 
			
			Very interesting discussion. Staying with music portals: Isn't it so that the revenue artists are making from music sales these days is decreasing, while they push merchandise and of course gigs? Maybe that is something that will need to be thought about for eBooks as well. If one day all eBooks are "out there" either for free or for a subscription price (or both), total industry income will likely go down. How can the book industry do what the music industry is in the process of doing, which is creating full-on experiences (live gigs, merchandise, clothes, ...)?
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|  12-31-2012, 12:49 PM | #52 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 11,732 Karma: 128354696 Join Date: May 2009 Location: 26 kly from Sgr A* Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000 | Quote: 
 The music business is about performances and transient experiences whereas books are more about specific ideas. With music, even recordings (audio or video) can't capture all the value of a live performance, whereas a book's value is completely encapsulated between the book and the reader. There is no subsidiary value to be monetized. That is one of the reasons ebooks are so effective; they strip away the material encumbrances without stripping any of the ideas that define the narrative--in techie terms, they are a lossless encoding of the full experience. (Unless you are a smell fetishist.  ) Last edited by fjtorres; 12-31-2012 at 12:53 PM. | |
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|  12-31-2012, 04:17 PM | #53 | 
| doofus            Posts: 2,554 Karma: 13089041 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kindle Voyage | 
			
			I've tried spotify and pandora and they don't sound very good.  Even 192k mp3 sounds better.  No way I pay for that. FM is better.
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|  01-02-2013, 07:59 AM | #54 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 2,742 Karma: 32912427 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North Yorkshire, UK Device: Kobo H20, Pixel 2, Samsung Chromebook Plus | |
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|  01-02-2013, 08:25 AM | #55 | |
| Guru            Posts: 895 Karma: 4383958 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: na | Quote: 
 There's another reason some people have said Spotify sounds low quality though. What was originally thought to be poor compression/conversion of the tracks, turns out to be DRM watermarks applied by UMG (which despite alternatives that are not) is audible. Even worse, UMG have been applying this to lossless tracks they sell via 3rd parties. The lossless tracks have audible noise, not really what people are expecting when they buy a lossless track. edit: source http://www.mattmontag.com/music/univ...ible-watermark | |
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|  01-02-2013, 09:23 AM | #56 | 
| Guru            Posts: 826 Karma: 18573626 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Canada Device: Kobo Touch, Nexus 7 (2013) | 
			
			I really love Rdio on the iPhone, I get access to a huge collection of music for $9.99 a month that I can stream or download (the downloading is the main reason I love it, aside from it being available in Canada that is).  I can't really see myself paying for an ebook subscription though, my consumption of e-books is just different.  With an ebook, I'm investing a lot of time into one item, with music I'm looking for quick experiences and a lot of them in short order.   I guess the closest parallel for me would be Audible for audio books. I had a subscription to Audible but ended up cancelling it after a few months, preferring to just buy an audiobook every once in awhile rather than paying a monthly fee to download one audio book a month. Aubible isn't a great example obviously since you don't get the option to stream their entire audiobook library. | 
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