No character data is allowed by content model

MrB · 09-14-2012, 10:25 AM

Greetings, oh Wise Ones!

I have used <blockquotes> on six occasions on one of my files in my e-book. Flightcrew doesn't seem to like it

On each occasion </blockquote> appears I get the 'No character data is allowed by content model' message. The comment also appears twice on line 75 as well as line 76:

Extract from file :

74 <blockquote>
75 Conquérants ? Jamais ! Inutiles?  Sans aucun doute!
76 </blockquote>

This my CSS:

blockquote {
margin: 2em 2em;
}

I should add, not all of the quotes are so short.

What course of action would you recommend please?

DiapDealer · 09-14-2012, 10:37 AM

I don't think xhtml technically allows "naked" text in a blockquote. Put the text in a p or a span and see if that clears it up.

74 <blockquote>
75 <p>Conquérants ? Jamais ! Inutiles?  Sans aucun doute!</p>
76 </blockquote>

MrB · 09-14-2012, 10:49 AM

Mr / Ms DiapDealer, you are indeed a wizard!

Worked perfectly, many thanks.

Jellby · 09-14-2012, 01:00 PM

PS. Check your content too:

Conquérants ? Jamais ! Inutiles?  Sans aucun doute!

You have spaces before some ? and !, and not before the others (they should be non-breaking and thin, if possible too). And you ha non-breaking space where none should be present.

MrB · 09-18-2012, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

PS. Check your content too:

Conquérants ? Jamais ! Inutiles?  Sans aucun doute!

You have spaces before some ? and !, and not before the others (they should be non-breaking and thin, if possible too). And you ha non-breaking space where none should be present.

Thank you for pointing out the inconsistency. I believe the French normally put a space before these punctuation marks, so there should be one after 'doute'. I am intrigued by your suggestion that they should be thin. How is that achieved?

theducks · 09-18-2012, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrB

Thank you for pointing out the inconsistency. I believe the French normally put a space before these punctuation marks, so there should be one after 'doute'. I am intrigued by your suggestion that they should be thin. How is that achieved?

Unless you are using the V6 Beta, it needs to be done in Code View using the HTML entity (I recommend getting/making a handy chart of these) Section 24 of the HTML spec has one (

no pictures of what it looks like) http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html40.../entities.html

Code:

&nbsp; non-breaking (full) space
&thinsp; thin space
&ensp; EN space
&emsp; EM space;

There are lots of other useful ones, unfortunately, some are not supported on all EPUB devices... Test them out before going crazy with use

MrB · 09-18-2012, 12:52 PM

I am indebted to you all again.

Many thanks.

Jellby · 09-18-2012, 02:23 PM

Or use &# 8239; (without the space): thin non-breaking space.
Or use   but make it smaller (with a span and font-size:50%).

daubnet · 09-19-2012, 10:06 PM

I found this on the web about French punctuation rules: http://www.interpc.fr/mapage/billaud/ponctua.htm

If my french is good enough, it says "only one trailing space for period and comma", but leading and trailing spaces for exclamation marks, question marks, semicolons and colons. In short: if the punctuation symbol is drawn with two strokes, put two spaces, if it is drawn with one stroke, just put a trailing space. It says nothing about the witdth of spaces though, but this thread does:
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=656762

It seems that   is preferable as leading space with a regular space trailing.

More info can be found here: http://forum.wordreference.com/showt...73#post3063773

MrB · 09-20-2012, 12:19 PM

@daubnet: That French link is very informative, isn't it - a really good find. Je vous remercie bien

@everyone: so there are two ways of creating a thin space:
&# 8239; (without the space)
 

Is there anything to recommend one over the other?

MrB · 09-20-2012, 12:39 PM

Now that I've followed theducks entity link I presume that they are different means to an identical end?

DaleDe · 09-20-2012, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrB

@daubnet: That French link is very informative, isn't it - a really good find. Je vous remercie bien

@everyone: so there are two ways of creating a thin space:
&# 8239; (without the space)
 

Is there anything to recommend one over the other?

For any special character there is always the number version and you can even enter the number as a hexadecimal digit. The number will be accepted generally even if the reading application doesn't have support for the special character name. The name of course is more descriptive. Both require a specialized font character that may not be present. This is why some people use a nbsp character which is universally accepted and then shrink it to 50% size using a span around the character. It is more work but more likely to be supported. the thinsp will need checking in the target eBook readers to ensure it isn't being replaced with a ?. There is a wiki page on Special characters.

Dale

MrB · 09-20-2012, 12:59 PM

Please do not interpret three posts in relatively rapid succession as nagging or desperation but I seem to be doing something wrong with my thin spaces.

I have used both &# 8239; (without the space) and   at various points in my French sentence. As expected, their effect is identical. However, their effect is also unexpected!

In Sigil the thin spaces appear as a very bold, fat letter I.

In ADE the thin spaces appear as question marks.

What basic, foolish error have I made now?

theducks · 09-20-2012, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrB

Now that I've followed theducks entity link I presume that they are different means to an identical end?

They are the same, just an alternate notation.

Which is more meaningful at a Glance?

I guess the numeric notation would be needed when decoding User inputs from , say, a Web Form

Jellby · 09-20-2012, 01:23 PM

Just to be clear:

  or &# 8201; is a normal thin space ("normal" here meaning that it is an allowed place for line breaking)
&# 8239; is a non-breaking thin space. It should be about the same size as  , but won't allow a line break. There's no named entity for this one.

They are like a normal space and  , respectively, but thinner.

09-14-2012, 10:25 AM	#1
MrB Very Slow Learner Posts: 51 Karma: 788 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: UK Device: none	No character data is allowed by content model Greetings, oh Wise Ones! I have used <blockquotes> on six occasions on one of my files in my e-book. Flightcrew doesn't seem to like it On each occasion </blockquote> appears I get the 'No character data is allowed by content model' message. The comment also appears twice on line 75 as well as line 76: Extract from file : 74 <blockquote> 75 Conquérants ? Jamais ! Inutiles?  Sans aucun doute! 76 </blockquote> This my CSS: blockquote { margin: 2em 2em; } I should add, not all of the quotes are so short. What course of action would you recommend please? Last edited by MrB; 09-14-2012 at 10:26 AM. Reason: Additional information

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09-14-2012, 10:37 AM	#2
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,891 Karma: 207182180 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	I don't think xhtml technically allows "naked" text in a blockquote. Put the text in a p or a span and see if that clears it up. 74 <blockquote> 75 <p>Conquérants ? Jamais ! Inutiles?  Sans aucun doute!</p> 76 </blockquote>

09-14-2012, 10:49 AM	#3
MrB Very Slow Learner Posts: 51 Karma: 788 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: UK Device: none	Mr / Ms DiapDealer, you are indeed a wizard! Worked perfectly, many thanks.

09-14-2012, 01:00 PM	#4
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,570 Karma: 20150435 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	PS. Check your content too: Conquérants ? Jamais ! Inutiles?  Sans aucun doute! You have spaces before some ? and !, and not before the others (they should be non-breaking and thin, if possible too). And you ha non-breaking space where none should be present.

09-18-2012, 12:52 PM	#7
MrB Very Slow Learner Posts: 51 Karma: 788 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: UK Device: none	I am indebted to you all again. Many thanks.

09-18-2012, 02:23 PM	#8
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,570 Karma: 20150435 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	Or use &# 8239; (without the space): thin non-breaking space. Or use   but make it smaller (with a span and font-size:50%).

09-19-2012, 10:06 PM	#9
daubnet Member Posts: 18 Karma: 1314 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hamburg, Germany Device: iPad	I found this on the web about French punctuation rules: http://www.interpc.fr/mapage/billaud/ponctua.htm If my french is good enough, it says "only one trailing space for period and comma", but leading and trailing spaces for exclamation marks, question marks, semicolons and colons. In short: if the punctuation symbol is drawn with two strokes, put two spaces, if it is drawn with one stroke, just put a trailing space. It says nothing about the witdth of spaces though, but this thread does: http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=656762 It seems that   is preferable as leading space with a regular space trailing. More info can be found here: http://forum.wordreference.com/showt...73#post3063773

09-20-2012, 12:19 PM	#10
MrB Very Slow Learner Posts: 51 Karma: 788 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: UK Device: none	@daubnet: That French link is very informative, isn't it - a really good find. Je vous remercie bien @everyone: so there are two ways of creating a thin space: &# 8239; (without the space)   Is there anything to recommend one over the other?

09-20-2012, 12:39 PM	#11
MrB Very Slow Learner Posts: 51 Karma: 788 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: UK Device: none	Now that I've followed theducks entity link I presume that they are different means to an identical end?

09-20-2012, 12:59 PM	#13
MrB Very Slow Learner Posts: 51 Karma: 788 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: UK Device: none	Please do not interpret three posts in relatively rapid succession as nagging or desperation but I seem to be doing something wrong with my thin spaces. I have used both &# 8239; (without the space) and   at various points in my French sentence. As expected, their effect is identical. However, their effect is also unexpected! In Sigil the thin spaces appear as a very bold, fat letter I. In ADE the thin spaces appear as question marks. What basic, foolish error have I made now?

09-20-2012, 01:23 PM	#15
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,570 Karma: 20150435 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	Just to be clear:   or &# 8201; is a normal thin space ("normal" here meaning that it is an allowed place for line breaking) &# 8239; is a non-breaking thin space. It should be about the same size as  , but won't allow a line break. There's no named entity for this one. They are like a normal space and  , respectively, but thinner.