|  04-14-2012, 12:18 AM | #31 | 
| Nookie are we            Posts: 175 Karma: 496294 Join Date: May 2010 Location: NYC Device: Nooks with and without color | 
			
			I am surprised they didn't tell us that production cost is in fact negative, subsidizing the price so ebook will obviously cost more than real books.
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|  04-14-2012, 04:34 PM | #32 | 
| Publishers are evil!            Posts: 2,418 Karma: 36205264 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rhode Island Device: Various Kindles | 
			
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|  04-16-2012, 12:54 AM | #33 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 7,423 Karma: 52734361 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle Fire, Kindle Paperwhite, AGPTek Bluetooth Clip | 
			
			Editing is part of the production process.
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|  04-16-2012, 07:40 AM | #34 | 
| Basculocolpic            Posts: 4,356 Karma: 20181319 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sweden Device: Kindle 3 WiFi, Kindle 4SO, Kindle for Android, Sony PRS-350 and PRS-T1 | 
			
			Edited in order to not outing simian secrets, monkeys too are entitled to a private sphere    Last edited by Kumabjorn; 04-16-2012 at 12:53 PM. Reason: Husshed | 
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|  04-16-2012, 08:37 AM | #35 | |||
| Zealot            Posts: 128 Karma: 238654 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: Kobo Mini (4GB), Nook Classic wi-fi, iPod Touch (Bluefire Reader) | Quote: 
 [ADDED THOUGHT]Also the articles author either does not understand, or is willfully misrepresenting how wholesale pricing works. This, Quote: 
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|  04-16-2012, 12:45 PM | #36 | 
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|  04-16-2012, 01:43 PM | #37 | |
| Wizard            Posts: 2,592 Karma: 4290425 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Foristell, Missouri, USA Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight, Kindle 3, Kobo Libra 2 | Quote: 
 There are some per unit costs for ebook production, related to the DRM, however if I remember correctly, that cost is covered by the retailer and not the publisher, so it could be argued as some what of a moot point, depending on the angle you're talking about. From the publishers stand point, there is no per unit cost, only the fixed costs. All the other costs are covered by the retailer, such as the credit card fees, DRM licensing, server costs, etc. Unfortunately though, Agency pricing doesn't really effectively address those costs. | |
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|  04-16-2012, 08:57 PM | #38 | 
| Groupie            Posts: 189 Karma: 1125536 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: CA Device: Sony PRS-350 1 Pink 1 Silver Paperwhite Kindle | 
			
			The cost of the cover art shouldn't even be included in the cost for a lot of ebooks. Half the time or more I get a generic cover.
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|  04-16-2012, 10:11 PM | #39 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,594 Karma: 21245891 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Canada Device: Kobo Libra h20, Paperwhite 2017, Phone & Tablet w Moonreader | 
			
			Yeah.  I usually don't give a blip when it's a library loan, but if I've just paid $$ and the thing is DRM, at least make it look as adverftised.
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|  04-17-2012, 02:23 AM | #40 | 
| ePub Maker  Posts: 120 Karma: 16 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mordor Device: iPad,Kindle 3, Nook 2 | 
			
			I think this is a temporary phenomenon. Currently, the fixed/base cost of eBook is more than paper book. They need digitalization, format conversion. Such work is costly for fewer worker can do it. There is still no good software in epublishing field as Ms Word or Page Maker/indesign in paper publishing to do the work. Some of the work are now performed by human labour. But this cost can be lowered by the improvement of the technology, such as ePublishing software and the whole industry system. Some new software like Sigil and ePub Maker can accelerate their speed and lower their cost greatly, but still not noticed by these major publishers. Last edited by eping; 04-17-2012 at 03:00 AM. | 
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|  04-17-2012, 02:54 AM | #41 | 
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			Btw, there are something make eBook worthy, at least for me,  1 I have no place to store paper books. 2 I can travel with many ebooks and read whenever I want. 3 I can search some keywords. 4 I can change fonts to what I like. These advantages would be more obvious along with the advance of eReader tech, such as new e-ink device could be developed into something like floppy plastic pad some day in the future. | 
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|  04-17-2012, 03:36 AM | #42 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,806 Karma: 13399999 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: US Device: Nook Simple Touch, Kobo Glo HD, Kobo Clara HD, Kindle 4 | 
			
			When the publishers are claiming that they're making less money per book with the ebook edition, I wonder how true that is.  It's probably true with hardcovers, since I think it's pretty accurate that the wholesale price of hardcovers is about half MSRP, and the ebook revenue is 70% of the hardcover MSRP when there's only a hardcover edition.  At that time the ebook is usually a couple dollars less than the discounted hardcover, so they're probably getting about a dollar or two less per ebook.  I'm not sure whether the retailers get 50% off the mass market paperback, but if they do, that means they're getting 20% more for the ebook than they would for the paperback.  So, if most buyers are price conscious, and weren't hardcover buyers in the first place (I'm not), and if the total books sold is roughly the same, the publishers are probably only seeing income/revenue down if most of the ebook buyers switched from hardcover to ebook (and even then, maybe not much), but they're probably not seeing a decrease if most of the ebook buyers switched from buying paperbacks. On the other hand, with the increased competition from the low cost independents and all the backlist from published authors, they might be having a tougher time selling new books. | 
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|  04-17-2012, 03:42 AM | #43 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 11,310 Karma: 43993832 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Monroe Wisconsin Device: K3, Kindle Paperwhite, Calibre, and Mobipocket for  Pc (netbook) | 
			
			That's nothing new. In the ancient world (around the 1st century A.D.) if you lived under Roman rule one of the taxes you paid Rome was a tax for existing in order to be taxed. So if I were the tax collector back then and you the 'citizen' under Roman rule I could tax you just for being there to be counted and taxed in the 1st place.
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|  04-17-2012, 08:54 AM | #44 | |
| Fanatic            Posts: 532 Karma: 3293888 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Virginia Device: Nook Simple Touch | Quote: 
  and  The wholesale/agency number-comparisons they used were largely apples/oranges. I wasn't sure if it was sloppiness on the part of the reporter or a lame attempt at moving the pea. I didn't care enough to consider it carefully. I don't really care how they price them. There are enough public domain five-star books out there that I can read until I'm 100 years dead and I'll still not come close to running out. In the rare event that a publisher entices me to actually buy a book, he deserves as much as I'm willing to pay; he must surely have been a marketing genius! | |
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|  04-17-2012, 09:04 AM | #45 | 
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			In Russia e-books are much cheaper than paper books (2 or 3 times). Bulgarian websites that offer e-books legally do so 20-25% cheaper than the paper book.
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