Access to Knowledge: YEA or NAY

[PKFFW]

Can't believe I'm bothering but I've got a few spare moments before the father in law arrives to help destroy our hedge so once again into the breach dear friends....

Originally Posted by Giggleton

But what if it was easier?

Any time you want to give any example of a system that would make it easier feel free.

All you have come up with so far is that authors should still be paid, just by someone else rather than you and by some sort of group think via the internet. Now if everything is free I really don't see how that would result in an easier way for authors to earn a living from their writing.

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Copyright is a means of protecting authors against those who would steal their work

As has been mentioned earlier, this is where you should have stopped as this is accurate. The rest of your drivel about selling it for cheaper was a clever attempt at misdirection which is incorrect.

Originally Posted by Giggleton

If everything was available for free nothing would be capable of being stolen, everything that was bought would be paid for.

There is a glaringly obvious logical inconsistency in there but as you have professed your disdain for logic I'm sure you probably don't see it.

You have admitted time and again you rarely pay for anything you read. So what makes you think that others would do so if everything was available for free? How do you think making everything free would result in an easier time for authors to attempt to make a living from their efforts?

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Perhaps it is too much of a shift in thinking so I will just continue to read whatever I wish to and compensate occasionally.

It wouldn't make any difference how much or little a shift in thinking was required, you will continue to read anything you want for free.

Why don't you save yourself the effort and just admit that you don't want to pay for anything and all the rest of it is your inane attempt to make it seem ok. You remind me of the weak faith religious types who feel the need to convince everyone their religion is true in the ridiculous belief that if they can just convince enough other people then they might start to believe their own BS themselves.

Originally Posted by Giggleton

On a side note I do plan on extending this thinking to all areas of life...

Good luck with that. Please let us know when you decide it is ok for anyone to come and take your possessions and let us know your address.

[QuantumIguana]

In Giggleton's world, everything is free. The farmer works for nothing, the factory worker works for nothing, the carpenter works for nothing, the author works for nothing. All so that Giggleton can do nothing. If everything is free, why should anyone work, and if no one works where is everything going to come from?

The Farm Commissar would have to use forced labor to keep the farms and factories running. But if that happens then Giggleton would probably wind up as a forced laborer too, unless he expects to be the Commissar.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by mrscoach

Copyright is a means of protecting authors against those who would steal their work. That sentence should have ended right there, it doesn't even matter about the 'selling for cheaper' schtick.

If everything was available for free nothing would be capable of being stolen, everything that was bought would be paid for.

If everything is free, how is anything bought? I truly want to know how you see this happening. You state that things should be free, and in the same sentence say they should be paid for. I truly cannot grasp this concept.

There are a number of ways to implement internet 2.0. One would be pay to access the network and be given a number of credits for you to dole out to whomever you wish, did you like that book you just read? +1 it and a bit of credit goes to the creator. That's just basic stuff though.

All we have to do is move away from the whole I created this and you can't have it unless I say so mentality. Because really that's just a mindset, and it is most likely not the best one to be in.

Why would you want to take all my possessions though? Don't you have enough things? Do you believe yourself to be an isolated individual, whereby someone has to lose for you to gain?

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

There are a number of ways to implement internet 2.0.

You are talking about stone age 1.0, just take whatever you want. You know, before they had something called society. You should be thinking about what you contribute, which is zero at this time.

[AndrewH]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Why would you want to take all my possessions though? Don't you have enough things?

Why would you want to read copyrighted books for free? Aren't there more books than you could ever possibly read in the public doman?

For all your emphasis on stuff for free, I'm surprised you charge for your book on Amazon.

[Freeshadow]

Giggles are you aware of the fact that that by your rate of producing hot air you are going to end up as the main, cause for global warming in 2012?

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by AndrewH

Why would you want to read copyrighted books for free? Aren't there more books than you could ever possibly read in the public doman?

For all your emphasis on stuff for free, I'm surprised you charge for your book on Amazon.

I really don't understand why everyone keeps telling me to stay in the public domain, I have read the public domain and will continue to do so, but there are a lot of good books in the non-public domain, why should I be restricted from reading them simply because I do not wish to pay?

[AndrewH]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

I really don't understand why everyone keeps telling me to stay in the public domain, I have read the public domain and will continue to do so, but there are a lot of good books in the non-public domain, why should I be restricted from reading them simply because I do not wish to pay?

For the same reason you can't drive a car off the dealer's lot without paying? The same reason you can't walk up to the bakery counter in Safeway and start chowing down on baked goods? The same reason you can't stroll through the Portland Saturday Market stuffing everything you want in your pockets?

Stealing is stealing no matter how you try to rationalize it.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by PKFFW

Should that eventuality ever come up I will consider it then. Until that time it is just another piece of red herring sophistry from you.

Let us just assume that the universe is the computer/being and that it is learning from itself/us. Why should the universe self limit its reading material?

[elcreative]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Let us just assume that the universe is the computer/being and that it is learning from itself/us. Why should the universe self limit its reading material?

Let's not... GIGO...

[mrscoach]

Gig, Do you make this up as you go? It sounds like it to me. The universe is a computer? What???? Why would we assume that?

Do you need help repairing your communication device to call for immediate pick-up? Maybe your they can bring your spacesuit with the nice wraparound arms.

[PKFFW]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Let us just assume that the universe is the computer/being and that it is learning from itself/us. Why should the universe self limit its reading material?

Ok lets assume that. If the universe is learning from "itself/us" then our experience is its learning and it doesn't need to read anything as it has already experienced it. Therefore your assumption/analogy/whatever you want to call this piece of sophistry fails in the extreme as a justification for you to read whatever you want for free.

This is what you really want to hear.........

Lets assume it is totally legal and ok to make authors our bitches and have them write for us for free. Then we can read whatever we like whenever we like for free. This way we don't even have to go to the effort of coming up with any rationalisations for our actions either. Isn't life grand?

As you continually ignore anything from anyone that causes you to have to think about the repercussions of your position and only reply to things with sophistry, misdirection and fantasy land hypotheticals, I'm no longer going to waste my time with this thread.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by PKFFW

If the universe is learning from "itself/us" then our experience is its learning and it doesn't need to read anything as it has already experienced it.

That sounds a bit circular to me, not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just a bit illogical.

Although we might say that since the universe has already experienced the learning, partitioning certain experiences away from itself (copyright) doesn't really make sense.

Once accessed/uploaded, always available to anyone.

In other words, thank you for sharing.

[ucfgrad93]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

That sounds a bit circular to me, not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just a bit illogical.

Originally Posted by Giggleton

fuck logic.

Talk about circular arguments.

[ucfgrad93]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

I really don't understand why everyone keeps telling me to stay in the public domain, I have read the public domain and will continue to do so, but there are a lot of good books in the non-public domain, why should I be restricted from reading them simply because I do not wish to pay?

Can I use this quote as my signature?