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03-07-2012, 05:54 PM | #61 | |
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People can already do this sort of thing with their music collection, with free tools provided by companies like Microsoft and Apple. Apple is particularly notable, because they are a major music retailer. On top of that, copying the video off of a DVD/BD then transcoding it to an appropriate format is incredibly time consuming. So the use of such tools would be limited anyhow. Finally, these tools are only of value to people who actually have legit media. Even if they did give a copy to a friend, the impact would be minimal compared to people who pirate material online. |
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No. I was simply wondering if Ana's statement that media rights-holders are spending tax-payers' money in prosecuting people who format-shift media for personal use was in fact correct. In the UK, for example, although format-shifting is technically illegal, the industry has said that they have no interest in prosecuting people who convert legitimately-bought media for personal use.
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You can go here for a general FAQ on the anti-circumvention section of the DMCA if you're interested, with an interesting bit stating: Quote:
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Unless one goes announcing their personal usage of something, it's really not something that can even be made to be anyone's business.
When I had the LP for "Dark Side of the Moon" 30 years ago, nobody knew I had taped it to stick on my Walkman unless I had told them. |
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I've never heard of it. Correct.
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Also, DVD companies have (iirc) gone after format-shifting tools on the grounds that those tools break DRM in order to work. I would also consider that in the same category as my statement. |
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I'm afraid that I must, with the greatest respect, disagree with you about this. |
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Can you explain, though, how someone downloading Harry Potter and pulping their paper books (to maintain a 1-to-1 ratio) is different from someone sending Harry Potter off to a chop shop? Or how someone downloading the contents of their DRM-protected DVD is different from someone buying the tools to rip the DVD? I'm afraid that I don't see a difference, personally. |
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However, my point is that it's unreasonable to expect media companies not to regard this as piracy. They cannot know that I've bought the extra set of books, and I rather suspect that most people who download the pirated books do not do this. I regard the media companies as being absolutely within their rights to come after illegal downloaders. |
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03-08-2012, 11:33 AM | #74 | |
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I've no problem with going after piracy sites, but going after individual downloaders who may well be *effectively* format-shifting is, imho, wasteful. And that was what I was referring to earlier. I apologize if I was unclear. |
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03-08-2012, 11:57 AM | #75 | |
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That being said, I do believe that anti-circumvention tools should be legal. But that is to protect rights that I view as more fundamental. I believe in the doctrine of first sale and that consumers have the right to circumvent vendor lock-in (e.g. being tied to particular vendor's ereader). Yet I think that you should be the one who is using the tools, rather than letting the pirates do it for you. After all, the simple act of visiting a pirate website (never mind downloading a copy) is supporting illegal activities. |
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