|  02-15-2012, 11:44 AM | #1 | 
| Feral Underclass            Posts: 3,622 Karma: 26821535 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Yorkshire, tha noz Device: 2nd hand paperback | 
				
				Need help with an apostrophe
			 
			
			One time there had been four of them, all stood directly under his window, their high-pitched shrieks, moans and wails sounding like a cats orgy.  Should it be cats, cat's or cats' ? | 
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|  02-15-2012, 12:19 PM | #2 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 8,005 Karma: 71261339 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Kobo Clara 2E | 
			
			I say no apostrophe and no plural: "...sounding like a cat orgy." But I'm not sure. | 
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|  02-15-2012, 12:53 PM | #3 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 2,230 Karma: 7145404 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Device: Kindle Voyage & iPhone 7+ | 
			
			IMO, since you said "a cat," singular, the correct possessive form is cat's.  If you had said, "several cats" then the form would be cats'.  Or rearrange to more clearly say what you probably mean, "an orgy of cats."
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|  02-15-2012, 01:00 PM | #4 | 
| Wizzard            Posts: 11,517 Karma: 33048258 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Roundworld Device: Kindle 2 International, Sony PRS-T1, BlackBerry PlayBook, Acer Iconia | 
			
			Obligatory link to Bob the Angry Flower's Quick Guide to the Apostrophe, You Idiots! Since there are four presumably people under the window and an orgy is a multi-participant thing, "cats' orgy" sounds about right (unless it's one cat getting involved in an orgy). But it looks like awkward phrasing and a less-directly-possessive way of putting it might work out better. | 
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|  02-15-2012, 01:17 PM | #5 | 
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			Well there would need to be at least 3 cats for an orgy. It's to describe the sound they make when they're shagging. Not sure if you've ever heard cats shagging, but they're not exactly quiet about it.
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|  02-15-2012, 01:40 PM | #6 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 2,230 Karma: 7145404 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Device: Kindle Voyage & iPhone 7+ | 
			
			Funny thing about that.  I had to look it up to be sure but it appears you don't need three to make an orgy.  Three or more does seem to be a common interpretation but I see plenty of room in the definitions for two boisterous people to have an orgy.  But carry on as you were, lol.
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|  02-15-2012, 03:46 PM | #7 | 
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			Several cats, one orgy = a cats' orgy.
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|  02-15-2012, 07:28 PM | #8 | 
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			It's cats'. However, you might use the singular, as in 'a cat fight' (more than one cat). I don't think cats are the orgy type. JB   | 
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|  02-15-2012, 08:43 PM | #9 | 
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			I think John is right. My experience is that the strange sound you hear (often sounds like babies crying) is two, and only two, cats in luv!
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|  02-16-2012, 06:55 AM | #10 | |
| Wizard            Posts: 3,418 Karma: 35207650 Join Date: Jun 2011 Device: iPad | Quote: 
 However cat is being used as an adjective here, so I do not think you want possessive case at all. a blue orgy a blue car a cat orgy All the same basic format. The cat does not OWN the orgy. Instead you are telling what KIND of orgy. So in my opinion, singular, non possessive. | |
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|  02-16-2012, 07:40 AM | #11 | 
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|  02-16-2012, 08:32 AM | #12 | |
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|  02-16-2012, 08:34 AM | #13 | |
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|  02-16-2012, 08:37 AM | #14 | 
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|  02-16-2012, 08:50 AM | #15 | 
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			A cat orgy has slightly different connotations to a cats' orgy, to me. The latter seems to have more emphasis on the cats, which seems to fit the original sentence better. That's just a gut feeling, though. I have no particular expertise other than being a native speaker. | 
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