New Kindle Format 8 (HTML5) - Page 4

alansplace · 10-22-2011, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

Anyone have a can of Raid Wolf repellent?

ignore user works

JSWolf · 10-22-2011, 10:23 PM

If we have one company controlling things, it stifles creativity of different companies doing different things. So that is why it would be bad if Amazon won the war. Nobody should win the war except the consumers. And for that to happen, I do feel that everyone should play nice and to play nice, that means one eBook format with one DRM. And that format is not KF8.

ElMiko · 10-23-2011, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

I'm just thankful they are starting to move away from mobi, and even if it isn't ePub it looks like a much better format than mobi.

I'm sorry I'm so behind the curve here. It seems that there's a well-established dislike for the .mobi format, but I've been unable to really find a breakdown of its flaws (something tells me that a forum search for "mobi" would be unproductive... or rather, excessively productive). Could someone tell me (or direct me to a particular post that tells me) why mobi stacks up so poorly to, say, ePub?

Edit: nevermind, I think I've managed to answer at least most of my question. Sorry!

BrowseTheStacks · 10-23-2011, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

ePub is the most important eBook format in all of history. If ePub was to ever go away, Amazon would rule and that would be not good for humanity.

By any chance do you have a manifesto we could read?

howyoudoin · 10-23-2011, 02:25 AM

A monopoly is never good for consumers. Which is why I support Amazon's efforts to keep the ePub format from attaining monopoly among the ebook formats. If Amazon wouldn't fight the good fight, ePub would rule and that would not be good for humanity.

skrr · 10-23-2011, 11:44 AM

is it confirmed that the kindle 4 will support the new format?

wallcraft · 10-23-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by skrr

is it confirmed that the kindle 4 will support the new format?

From the FAQ

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Q: Will KF8 capabilities be available on all Kindle devices?
A: Kindle Fire is the first Kindle device to support KF8 - in the coming months we will roll out KF8 to our latest generation Kindle e-ink devices as well as our free Kindle reading apps.

What isn't certain is support for the Kindle Keyboard, it seems likely that the K1 and K2 are out of luck.

tomsem · 10-23-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by skrr

is it confirmed that the kindle 4 will support the new format?

The term Amazon used is 'latest generation'. I think K4 makes the cut. The K3/KK is the model most in question.

jswinden · 10-23-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wallcraft

From the FAQ What isn't certain is support for the Kindle Keyboard, it seems likely that the K1 and K2 are out of luck.

I suspect the DX models might be out of luck as well.

sadievan · 10-23-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

ePub is the most important eBook format in all of history. If ePub was to ever go away, Amazon would rule and that would be not good for humanity.

Wait! Let me guess. Now don't tell me. Don't give me any hints. You use epub, right?

Carol

tomsem · 10-23-2011, 03:27 PM

The one thing I have been missing—probably even more than better CSS options—is better TOC navigation. If only they would provide 'NCX view' like the Kindle Previewer has, and/or copied the new ePub3 replacement for NCX. I guess they could add this later, but this would be an especially good time to make a change in this area.

Barty · 10-23-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by howyoudoin

A monopoly is never good for consumers. Which is why I support Amazon's efforts to keep the ePub format from attaining monopoly among the ebook formats. If Amazon wouldn't fight the good fight, ePub would rule and that would not be good for humanity.

Amazon is not fighting a monopoly. They are leveraging their near monopoly on the ebook market in order to put out their own format, and in turn using the format to further enhance their monopoly.

Sorry, but amazon users cannot simultaneously argue that ePub is not a standard that needs to be followed AND ePub is a monopoly to be fought against.

Barty · 10-23-2011, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

I suspect the DX models might be out of luck as well.

If there's anything new under the sun, you can bet the DX won't get it

howyoudoin · 10-23-2011, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barty

Amazon is not fighting a monopoly. They are leveraging their near monopoly on the ebook market in order to put out their own format, and in turn using the format to further enhance their monopoly.

Sorry, but amazon users cannot simultaneously argue that ePub is not a standard that needs to be followed AND ePub is a monopoly to be fought against.

I was being facetious, mate.

However, I also do not espouse the cause of ePub as a standard that absolutely needs to be followed. I have no problems with the mobi format. It is DRM I have a gripe with. The issue as I see it, is DRM vs non-DRM. Not DRM vs ePub.

Daveoc64 · 10-23-2011, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barty

Amazon is not fighting a monopoly. They are leveraging their near monopoly on the ebook market in order to put out their own format, and in turn using the format to further enhance their monopoly.

Sorry, but amazon users cannot simultaneously argue that ePub is not a standard that needs to be followed AND ePub is a monopoly to be fought against.

A format having a monopoly doesn't mean it's something that needs to be followed.

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10-22-2011, 10:23 PM	#47
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,719 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	If we have one company controlling things, it stifles creativity of different companies doing different things. So that is why it would be bad if Amazon won the war. Nobody should win the war except the consumers. And for that to happen, I do feel that everyone should play nice and to play nice, that means one eBook format with one DRM. And that format is not KF8.

10-23-2011, 02:25 AM	#50
howyoudoin how YOU doin? Posts: 1,100 Karma: 7371047 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: India Device: Kindle Keyboard, iPad Pro 10.5”, Kobo Aura H2O, Kobo Libra 2	A monopoly is never good for consumers. Which is why I support Amazon's efforts to keep the ePub format from attaining monopoly among the ebook formats. If Amazon wouldn't fight the good fight, ePub would rule and that would not be good for humanity.

10-23-2011, 11:44 AM	#51
skrr Junior Member Posts: 3 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: none	is it confirmed that the kindle 4 will support the new format?

10-23-2011, 03:27 PM	#56
tomsem Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,005 Karma: 27060353 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Device: iPhone 15PM, Kindle Scribe, iPad mini 6, PocketBook InkPad Color 3	The one thing I have been missing—probably even more than better CSS options—is better TOC navigation. If only they would provide 'NCX view' like the Kindle Previewer has, and/or copied the new ePub3 replacement for NCX. I guess they could add this later, but this would be an especially good time to make a change in this area.