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|  09-17-2011, 02:34 PM | #1 | |
| Wizard            Posts: 2,016 Karma: 2838487 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Washington, DC Device: Ipad, IPhone | 
				
				"Kindle is a only a transitional reading device." A Lawyer Predicts Amazon's Future
			 
			
			This article , which came out in May 2011, seems prescient but says a lot that's controversial . Excerpt: Quote: 
 There's a lot there-books in the cloud, the end of the eink Kindle, ad-supported books. Read the article and tell me what you think of this vision of the future. | |
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|  09-17-2011, 03:07 PM | #2 | 
| Guru            Posts: 902 Karma: 1660722 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Maryland Device: PRS-650, PRS-600, PRS-350 | 
			
			The cloud is great IF you have Internet connectivity. Which is NOT everywhere in the US, much less in the world. Also great as long as you don't worry about the secutiry of your data.   | 
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|  09-17-2011, 03:07 PM | #3 | 
| Grand Master of Flowers            Posts: 2,201 Karma: 8389072 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Naptown Device: Kindle PW, Kindle 3 (aka Keyboard), iPhone, iPad 3 (not for reading) | 
			
			Yeah, this has been predicted before.  He's wrong. 1. Streaming is too unreliable for reading. People read in all kinds of places with no service, including on airplanes. 2. The value of streaming for e-books isn't there the way it is for music. If you want to listen to 8 hours of new music, you would need to buy 160 songs (assuming 3 minutes per song). At $1 per song, that is $160 to buy...so some sort of flat-fee subscription service might make sense. If you want to read for 8 hours, you probably need one book (on average). At $13 for a new big 6 book, there may be some value in a subscription...but it will be less than the value music would provide, simply because the cost is less to begin with. 3. Free books in exchange for advertising won't work for tradpub books. It may work for 99c books...although people may still be resistant to ads for books, even cheap books. It is easy to imagine a way to monetize books other than simply selling them. It is quite different to have the customers go along with it, however. It's also hard to make a lot of money on with ads - broadcast TV does it, but they are able to provide advertisers with tens of millions of viewers *in one hour*. Only the most elite authors have sold more than ten million books - and most of them took more than an hour to do so. | 
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|  09-17-2011, 03:48 PM | #4 | 
| Coffee Nut            Posts: 410 Karma: 298350 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Missouri Device: Kindle 3; K4PC; Calibre | 
			
			... and if the 'cloud' gets hacked and you lose your data ... or if your fancy new tablet fails or is out of warranty ... or if your password gets stolen ... or ... What is the difference between having your data and purchases (rents, sorry) on your own prone-to-fail hard drive or your own prone-to-fail tablet? Lose a HD on either and you aren't online anymore ... unless of course we put all of the operating system on the cloud and just burn the boot process and wifi connection into a chip that "can't fail." | 
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|  09-17-2011, 05:31 PM | #5 | |||
| Wizard            Posts: 2,016 Karma: 2838487 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Washington, DC Device: Ipad, IPhone | Quote: 
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 How the ads will be implemented is an issue. There are people who will never accept ads, no matter how they are implemented, but that's the minority. I discuss this HERE. | |||
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|  09-17-2011, 05:40 PM | #6 | |
| Wizard            Posts: 1,262 Karma: 2979086 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Kindle 4, iPad Mini/Retina | Quote: 
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|  09-17-2011, 06:11 PM | #7 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 2,016 Karma: 2838487 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Washington, DC Device: Ipad, IPhone | 
			
			Actually, I thought that the most controversial statement was that the Kindle was just a transitional device. I thought millions of Kindle owners would be spitting fire at the idea that their beloved e-ink reading devices were  not the end and pinacle of the ebook reading experience and would be replaced by tablets  . FWIW, I think that there will be another generation of e-ink readers, may be two. But the focus is clearly shifting toward tablets. The shift may not be to "general purpose " tablets, though , but to "reader tablets" tied to a particular store. There is the Nook Color; there will be a Kindle tablet, modelled on the NC; there may even be a Kobo tablet, in time. | 
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|  09-17-2011, 06:19 PM | #8 | |
| Wizard            Posts: 2,016 Karma: 2838487 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Washington, DC Device: Ipad, IPhone | Quote: 
 E-ink readers don't do fashion mags. hey also don't do children's books -another big market that appeals to the person who most often makes the family's buying decision. Advantage tablets. | |
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|  09-17-2011, 06:31 PM | #9 | 
| Are you gonna eat that?            Posts: 1,633 Karma: 23215128 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Phillipsburg, NJ Device: Kindle 3, Nook STG | 
			
			if everything goes tablet, i'll simply give up ebooks. i already have a smartphone which i find borderline useless, i don't want a bigger version of it.
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|  09-17-2011, 06:35 PM | #10 | |
| Wizard            Posts: 2,888 Karma: 5875940 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: PRS505, 600, 350, 650, Nexus 7, Note III, iPad 4 etc | Quote: 
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|  09-17-2011, 09:58 PM | #11 | 
| Zealot            Posts: 127 Karma: 2843950 Join Date: Sep 2011 Device: Kindle Keyboard (K3) | 
			
			I see no reason there can't be Nook-sized tablets or slates some day with lit e-ink-like color displays always broad-band connected to the Internet yet powerful enough to run programs and store files locally. There won't be any real advantage in having dedicated e-readers except perhaps cost. Having said that, there will be a good market for e-readers for a few years yet. | 
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|  09-17-2011, 10:01 PM | #12 | |
| Fearless Writer            Posts: 210 Karma: 375317 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: In a mitten! Device: Kobo Wifi | Quote: 
 If you ask me, magazines are disposable. Books are not. Unless they find a way to make color E-ink...I think there's always going to be a place in the universe for straight-up e-readers. | |
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|  09-17-2011, 10:06 PM | #13 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 2,302 Karma: 2607151 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Toronto Device: Kobo Aura HD, Kindle Paperwhite, Asus ZenPad 3, Kobo Glo | 
			
			The author seems to see eink ... tablets ... cloud as some sort of progression. Yet the first two are consumption tools and the latter is a delivery mechanism. The Kindle is already a "cloud" device in the sense that users need only store some content on the Kindle and leave the rest on (or "return" the read items to) the cloud. My Kindle 3 has a handful of content from non-Amazon sources and some current Kindle books I've purchased and haven't read yet. Once I read something, I delete it from the Kindle. I don't see any need to fuss much with the ebook purchase model: some set fee per title obtained which flows back to the retailer, publisher and author. Except for niche markets, any subscription model gets to be clumsy. The monetization, however, can come from charging for the cloud. Amazon does this now by charging publishers 15¢/MB "delivery" charge per purchase (regardless of the number of times a consumer redelivers it across his/her multiple registered devices). Another opportunity is advertising (currently being used to subsidize the device but why not pop-up ads when transferring items to/from the cloud?). And I agree that at around $100, eink as a dedicated reader is a pretty strong value proposition. There's a camera built into virtually every smartphone these days but people continue to buy dedicated digital cameras. Tablets and other devices will take a chunk of the market but eink is likely to hold value in being simple, inexpensive and convenient. Last edited by SensualPoet; 09-17-2011 at 10:09 PM. | 
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|  09-17-2011, 10:23 PM | #14 | 
| Karma Kameleon            Posts: 2,976 Karma: 26738313 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn | 
			
			Eink survived by getting cheap enough, fast enough.  A few years from now, tablets like the Nook Color will go for less than $100.  at that point, there will be little reason for eink beyond those who simply cannot read on an LCD screen....which is a lot smaller group than many here believe. Don't believe me? How is the 10" Kindle Dx selling these days? Lee | 
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|  09-17-2011, 10:39 PM | #15 | |
| e-reading since 2008            Posts: 197 Karma: 112730 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hinesville Georgia Device: Nook STR, Sony PRS-T1 | Quote: 
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