Windows 8 Metro: No Flash

elcreative · 09-16-2011, 08:57 PM

Silly Apple, nasty Apple doesn't run Flash on its iPads... hey, guess what the latest is from MS... Metro, the tablet version of Windows 8, will not support Flash as MS doesn't want to support plugins on tablets, similar functionality will be supported in HTML5... let's see how fair and unbiased everyone is now... I mean they're all going to criticise MS just the way they leaped on Apple... aren't they?

djulian · 09-16-2011, 09:13 PM

Let me be the first to say I think MS is wrong to do this.

But let me also say that I think they are less wrong than Apple was, simply because Flash is less necessary now than it once was.

kjk · 09-16-2011, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by djulian

But let me also say that I think they are less wrong than Apple was, simply because Flash is less necessary now than it once was.

Microsoft's Dean Hachamovitch, who made the comments that el creative referred to, made similar comments at the same time Apple did last year. He just got less coverage, and it took MS a bit longer to implement.

Tony Szmuk · 09-16-2011, 10:04 PM

As far as I've seen and read, the classic 'desktop' UI will be also available on tablets, so if you absolutely need flash, you'll only have to switch to the classic UI and use any browser that supports flash.

I have the W8 Developer Preview installed on two PCs and indeed, flash doesn't work in the IE Metro app, but it works just fine in desktop mode.

thebestjeter · 09-16-2011, 10:53 PM

What is not going to support Flash is only the Internet Explorer version for Metro. BUT you are going to be able to install other browsers and HAVE support for flash, ¿ok? You can have Chrome+Flash and Firefox+Flash running in Metro, ¿ok? Windows 8 Metro does support Flash. Internet Explorer for Metro doesn't.

So, Windows 8 has nothing to do with the Apple limitations.

Nexutix · 09-16-2011, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thebestjeter

Windows 8 Metro does support Flash.

So, Windows 8 have nothing to do with the Apple limitations.

Exactly! MS has open liberal system. Apple has unified monarchy. And not supporting flash in IE does not affect much; because very less people use IE and the uses we use IE for (like money transactions) are flash-independent. So, nothing to worry about.

thebestjeter · 09-16-2011, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by patilsaurabhr

Exactly! MS has open liberal system. Apple has unified monarchy. And not supporting flash in IE does not affect much; because very less people use IE and the uses we use IE for (like money transactions) are flash-independent. So, nothing to worry about.

Is your comment ironic or it's only my impression?

Tony Szmuk · 09-16-2011, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by patilsaurabhr

Exactly! MS has open liberal system. Apple has unified monarchy. And not supporting flash in IE does not affect much; because very less people use IE and the uses we use IE for (like money transactions) are flash-independent. So, nothing to worry about.

Well, MS is a corporation just as Apple, but if I'd have to chose, I'd go MS all the way. I have a Mac just because can't run iTunes Publisher on another platform. I really cannot understand why some people love Macs.

As for the other thing, IE 10 does support flash in Windows 8. Only the IE app in Metro doesn't.

Dylrob · 09-17-2011, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by thebestjeter

What is not going to support Flash is only the Internet Explorer version for Metro. BUT you are going to be able to install other browsers and HAVE support for flash, ¿ok? You can have Chrome+Flash and Firefox+Flash running in Metro, ¿ok? Windows 8 Metro does support Flash. Internet Explorer for Metro doesn't.

So, Windows 8 has nothing to do with the Apple limitations.

Windows Phone was supposed to support other browsers to. Though as I recall the Firefox team eventually gave up, saying the code limitations made it impossible in practice.

Jim Lester · 09-17-2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony Szmuk

Well, MS is a corporation just as Apple, but if I'd have to chose, I'd go MS all the way. I have a Mac just because can't run iTunes Publisher on another platform. I really cannot understand why some people love Macs.

I've been sitting watching the Metro presentations from Build, and thinking hmm a really nice operating system, that looks open enough (for me to add my and others apps to), with really nice dev tools - this is something I could look forward to unlike the closed locked down environment of others.

And then having this really weird cognitive dissonance moment, as I realize I thinking about Microsoft instead of Apple...

Interesting times ahead.

thebestjeter · 09-17-2011, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylrob

Windows Phone was supposed to support other browsers to. Though as I recall the Firefox team eventually gave up, saying the code limitations made it impossible in practice.

Basically, Windows 8 Metro and Windows 8 desktop are the same. Wait, what I am saying? Better than that, they are only ONE system, not two. So, what runs in Windows 8 Desktop (which is compatible with all the Windows 7 apps) runs in Windows Metro. The Desktop is only another app. So, I don't think is going to be such limitation this time.

kjk · 09-17-2011, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Lester

And then having this really weird cognitive dissonance moment, as I realize I thinking about Microsoft instead of Apple...

Interesting times ahead.

Google, Apple, and Microsoft are and always have been a lot more alike than different, despite what fans of each would like to believe.

Dylrob · 09-17-2011, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by thebestjeter

Basically, Windows 8 Metro and Windows 8 desktop are the same. Wait, what I am saying? Better than that, they are only ONE system, not two. So, what runs in Windows 8 Desktop (which is compatible with all the Windows 7 apps) runs in Windows Metro. The Desktop is only another app. So, I don't think is going be such limitation this time.

From what i understand only x86 machines will be compatible with Windows 7 and earlier apps. Not the ARM versions.

kjk · 09-17-2011, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylrob

From what i understand only x86 machines will be compatible with Windows 7 and earlier apps. Not the ARM versions.

I believe this is correct. Sounds like the ARM Tablets may just be running Metro IE.

The mobile tablets with x86 (like the demo Samsung Tablet they gave out at BUILD, which was an i5) can run both Metro IE and Win7 IE, of course.

Even Adobe is careful to mention Win8 *desktop* will still have Flash, and their current Air solution for other devices (like the iPad) will work fine on Metro.

thebestjeter · 09-17-2011, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kjk

I believe this is correct. Sounds like the ARM Tablets may just be running Metro IE.

The mobile tablets with x86 (like the demo Samsung Tablet they gave out at BUILD, which was an i5) can run both Metro IE and Win7 IE, of course.

Even Adobe is careful to mention Win8 *desktop* will still have Flash, and their current Air solution for other devices (like the iPad) will work fine on Metro.

There will be only one version of Windows 8. There is not such thing as Windows 8 tablet. Windows 8 is an integrated system, metro and desktop at the same time.

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thebestjeter Addict Posts: 208 Karma: 757546 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kindle 3 Wifi and Kindle DX Graphite	What is not going to support Flash is only the Internet Explorer version for Metro. BUT you are going to be able to install other browsers and HAVE support for flash, ¿ok? You can have Chrome+Flash and Firefox+Flash running in Metro, ¿ok? Windows 8 Metro does support Flash. Internet Explorer for Metro doesn't. So, Windows 8 has nothing to do with the Apple limitations. Last edited by thebestjeter; 09-16-2011 at 11:07 PM.

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djulian Evangelist Posts: 408 Karma: 1786912 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Kindle Voyage	Let me be the first to say I think MS is wrong to do this. But let me also say that I think they are less wrong than Apple was, simply because Flash is less necessary now than it once was.

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Tony Szmuk Connoisseur Posts: 61 Karma: 383712 Join Date: May 2010 Device: ,,,	As far as I've seen and read, the classic 'desktop' UI will be also available on tablets, so if you absolutely need flash, you'll only have to switch to the classic UI and use any browser that supports flash. I have the W8 Developer Preview installed on two PCs and indeed, flash doesn't work in the IE Metro app, but it works just fine in desktop mode.