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Old 04-12-2011, 06:27 PM   #121
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What happens if you don't have wifi access? Does the firmware include all the ads?
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:00 PM   #122
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What happens if you don't have wifi access? Does the firmware include all the ads?
Then you won't be receiving any ads.
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:02 PM   #123
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What happens if you don't have wifi access? Does the firmware include all the ads?
No wifi, no ad updates, no deals.
That's it.
It'll still be a Kindle like any other.
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:12 PM   #124
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What happens if you don't have wifi access? Does the firmware include all the ads?
It'll probably leave the factory with preloaded ads. No WiFi will see those ads frozen in time. A year later and you'll still see the same ones.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:54 PM   #125
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TINSTAAFL!
Ain't that TANSTAAFL? Or am I misdismembering my Heinlein?
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:59 PM   #126
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It'll probably leave the factory with preloaded ads. No WiFi will see those ads frozen in time. A year later and you'll still see the same ones.
Kinda like those "new and notable books" advertised at the end of paperbacks...those last forever!
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Ain't that TANSTAAFL? Or am I misdismembering my Heinlein?
Loonies say "aint".
Us groundhogs, politely, say "is".

I've seen it both ways.
It's been cleaned up for mainstream economic and political use.
So I guess the version you use depends on the context; as a Heinlein quote with A, as a re-statement of the laws of thermo, with I.
Either way it is good shorthand to remind folks that it is literally a law of nature that everything has a price.

I'm also fond of "Cold Equations" as shorthand for "the universe doesn't care".
Lots of succint wisdom to be found in the SF classics.
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Old 04-13-2011, 09:38 AM   #128
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It'll probably leave the factory with preloaded ads. No WiFi will see those ads frozen in time. A year later and you'll still see the same ones.
I'll be begging for new ads!
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Old 04-13-2011, 10:28 AM   #129
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I am curious if the deals themselves will actually be restricted to owners of the "deal-Kindle." Do you have to check out on the Kindle in order to get the deal? Because deals typically have either a URL or an offer code associated with them. Plenty of people will repost the url or offer code to bargain sites. Then it's up to Amazon and the sponsors if they actually want to restrict the deal to certain users (the kindle owners) or not.

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It's not just ads... it's a membership into a special deals "club." Groupon or Thrillist subscribers don't think of themselves as signing up to get another ad in their email every morning, they think they're getting something special. The offers that Amazon has been posing are similar -- such as half-price Amazon gift codes -- and they're only going to be available to people with this special, new Kindle. So it's not just a $25 rebate, but a new, potentially valuable source of content and deals in your life. This is better than not having a Kindle at all, which is the reality for most people.
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Old 04-13-2011, 11:53 AM   #130
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No wifi, no ad updates, no deals.
That's it.
It'll still be a Kindle like any other.
Thanks.

This explains why it's only a $25 reduction in price.
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Old 04-13-2011, 11:59 AM   #131
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What'd be interesting is a subsidized 3G kindle for price of the wifi kindle. I don't want 3G so much as a white kindle. I thought the graphite would be cool, but now I prefer the white one.

With 3G, they can push ads in off peak hours. That may work economically.

One consideration haven't seen mentioned is the resale value. Used kindles sell pretty well, but now an ad-free kindle will have additional cachet.
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Old 04-13-2011, 02:28 PM   #132
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So how do you "take action" on an ad? My first thought would be to touch the ad (but that's because I have a reader with a touchscreen!!). But anyway, the ad is on the screensaver, so your Kindle is asleep. When you wake the Kindle up, does it go to your home screen with the same ad, or does it go to your last page read, which doesn't have the ad?

Also: would you be embarassed to give a "deal-Kindle" as a gift?

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Old 04-13-2011, 02:37 PM   #133
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Also: would you be embarassed to give a "deal-Kindle" as a gift?
I think it would be pretty tacky to give an ad-supported Kindle as a gift, unless the recipient specifically asked for the ad-supported version in order to get in on the "deals".

Otherwise it looks like "whee, I saved $25 in cash money while you get to see ads for life!" Sure, it's the thought that counts, but what would that particular thought say about the gift-giver?

Better to give a gift card amount to put towards the cost of a Kindle (ad-supported or not, depending on your budget) and let the recipient decide which version they want, if insistent on giving out Kindles as gifts.
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Also: would you be embarassed to give a "deal-Kindle" as a gift?
Of course not. It's like giving someone one of those Entertainment coupon books. I'll probably end up getting 2 or 3 for gifts.
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So how do you "take action" on an ad?
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A menu pick takes you to a listing of all the active offers.

Gifting a KSO should be no problem as long as you know the recipient likes deal-hunting.
Make no mistake, there are people who regularly troll outlet stores and would by thrilled to get a KSO.
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