Sorry Kindle, You're Not Invited - Page 5

kindlekitten · 03-31-2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by khalleron

Kindlekitten, merely asserting something over and over does not make it true.

Neither does saying it in all caps, nor swearing.

Stripping DRM is questionably legal - no matter who says what on a forum.

Stripping DRM from a library book is more than questionable.

Very few libraries carry Mobipocket ebooks anymore, because Amazon has restricted the use of Mobipocket for its own ends. That's their privilege.

The fact remains that the Kindle is not library-friendly, no matter how many times you assert otherwise.

did I swear about the legalities? did you misquote?

it is NOT illegal. period end of report. oh wait, I haven't used caps yet...

IT IS NOT ILLEGAL, PERIOD END OF REPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now, that we have that out of the way, quit mis-informing people.

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Originally Posted by AnemicOak

That would be an opinion, not a fact. AFAIK DRM removal for personal use has never been tested in court.

did I say it was a fact? I said it was NOT illegal.

Giggleton · 03-31-2011, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Calibre doesn't strip DRM. Third-party unofficial plugins do. Don't confuse the two. Calibre itself is perfectly legal software that has nothing to do with DRM removal.

The law is a human institution.

Read whatever you want to whenever you want to. What part of freedom don't you understand????

FF2 · 03-31-2011, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Calibre doesn't strip DRM. Third-party unofficial plugins do. Don't confuse the two. Calibre itself is perfectly legal software that has nothing to do with DRM removal.

Guns, ahem, calibre does not strip drm, only people with plugins strip drm!

carpetmojo · 03-31-2011, 03:58 AM

Methinks the kitten doth protest too loudly....

Poppaea · 03-31-2011, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

a licensed practicing attorney has given us this information in the Kindle forums regarding the legality and ethics of stripping DRM for personal use.

I'll pop into any thread I please and clear up disinformation

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Originally Posted by carpetmojo

Methinks the kitten doth protest too loudly....

Methinks KindleKitten forgets the fact that this is an international forum and even if it may be legal in her country (which I doubt, it is just not persecuted) it might not be legal in everyone elses countries, so shouting from every roof top it is legal is just not the right thing to do IMO.

kennyc · 03-31-2011, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ApK

Libraries lend plenty of e-material that doesn't automatically time out. ...

Mine doesn't.

karunaji · 03-31-2011, 05:54 AM

I think that Kindlekitten is trolling but it is a well meaning troll. It is more important to let people know that they can read everything on Kindle and worry about technical details later than scare them of non-existing legal issues. Even if it is illegal by some laws, the probability of someone being sued before established precedent is practically zero.

kennyc · 03-31-2011, 06:46 AM

But the other side of the coin is that it is not a slam-dunk. There is a bit of effort required to read library books on the Kindle. It is far from automatic.

karunaji · 03-31-2011, 06:51 AM

True. Still in most cases it could be easier than physically going to the nearest library, checking out the books and coming back to read them.

tubemonkey · 03-31-2011, 06:58 AM

Get a Kobo, or a refurb Nook or Sony.

kennyc · 03-31-2011, 06:59 AM

For some perhaps, for others the technical knowledge is beyond them, thus easier to read the physical book.

From the library or ordered used from Amazon for pennies.

DiapDealer · 03-31-2011, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Giggleton

The law is a human institution.

That works out beautifully... since I'm a human.

tubemonkey · 03-31-2011, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

That works out beautifully... since I'm a human.

Not all of us are. Some of us are monkeys and other assorted critters.

DiapDealer · 03-31-2011, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Some of us are monkeys and other assorted critters.

The speed with which you responded, leaves me questioning the veracity of the Infinite Monkey Theorem.

Poppaea · 03-31-2011, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by karunaji

I think that Kindlekitten is trolling but it is a well meaning troll. It is more important to let people know that they can read everything on Kindle and worry about technical details later than scare them of non-existing legal issues. Even if it is illegal by some laws, the probability of someone being sued before established precedent is practically zero.

So you tell your kids it is fine to rob a bank as long as they don't get caugth?? Anyway this is not the "which-one-to-buy" here, it is about libraries explaining people how to use ereaders and lend books from the library. So it is quite silly to shout out loud this kind of rubbish in this thread.

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03-31-2011, 03:58 AM	#64
carpetmojo Wizard Posts: 3,117 Karma: 9269999 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: UK Device: Sony- T3, PRS650, 350, T1/2/3, Paperwhite, Fire 8.9,Samsung Tab S 10.5	Methinks the kitten doth protest too loudly....

03-31-2011, 05:54 AM	#67
karunaji Evangelist Posts: 421 Karma: 1033566 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Latvia Device: Kindle 3 Wifi, Bookeen Opus	I think that Kindlekitten is trolling but it is a well meaning troll. It is more important to let people know that they can read everything on Kindle and worry about technical details later than scare them of non-existing legal issues. Even if it is illegal by some laws, the probability of someone being sued before established precedent is practically zero.

03-31-2011, 06:46 AM	#68
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,930 Karma: 119747553 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2 & PW, Onyx Boox Go6	But the other side of the coin is that it is not a slam-dunk. There is a bit of effort required to read library books on the Kindle. It is far from automatic.

03-31-2011, 06:51 AM	#69
karunaji Evangelist Posts: 421 Karma: 1033566 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Latvia Device: Kindle 3 Wifi, Bookeen Opus	True. Still in most cases it could be easier than physically going to the nearest library, checking out the books and coming back to read them.

03-31-2011, 06:58 AM	#70
tubemonkey monkey on the fringe Posts: 45,851 Karma: 158733736 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Seattle Metro Device: Moto E6, Echo Show	Get a Kobo, or a refurb Nook or Sony.

03-31-2011, 06:59 AM	#71
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,930 Karma: 119747553 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2 & PW, Onyx Boox Go6	For some perhaps, for others the technical knowledge is beyond them, thus easier to read the physical book. From the library or ordered used from Amazon for pennies.