library books and expirations - Page 2

mldavis2 · 03-17-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

If the HC model becomes widespread, maybe libraries should limit patrons to one free checkout of a single title. Thereafter, all future checkouts of that title will then be charged to their account; say $1.00 per checkout.

That's not a bad idea -- except for the fact that 'most' public libraries are publicly funded and free to local residents. Libraries are then back in the same old song of trying to (fill in the blank - get loaners returned, get fees paid, get repeat renewals paid ..) recover money that they effectively 'loan' to patrons in good faith. I think it is a very poor idea to require fees for public library use, but they may be pushed that way which will discriminate against those who might not be able to pay or who would choose to terminate library use on 'general principle.'

I don't wish to get into a battle over funding, but reading is public education and should be offered and available as such. We are having enough trouble getting zombie-brained children away from the TV and xBox as it is.

tubemonkey · 03-17-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mldavis2

That's not a bad idea -- except for the fact that 'most' public libraries are publicly funded and free to local residents. Libraries are then back in the same old song of trying to (fill in the blank - get loaners returned, get fees paid, get repeat renewals paid ..) recover money that they effectively 'loan' to patrons in good faith.

It's easy enough to implement and you wouldn't be allowed to check out an ebook for a second or more time until after you pay the fee.

Everyone gets a free read the first time and it would only apply to ebooks that had a publisher imposed checkout limit.

lorraineg57 · 03-17-2011, 08:40 PM

Well, I managed to get the books "unexpired" on my laptop by setting the date back on the laptop itself. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any way to change the date on the nook so I guess I'm out of luck. As soon as I transfer the books to the nook, they come up as expired or about to expire. One of the books that expires I think in 5 days is over 500 pages so that's not going to get read. I waited over a month to get it too.

I'm not likely to read them on the laptop.

Can't believe there's not some kind of workaround. It's got to be embedded somewhere (exp. date). I thought I found it when I opened the acsm file for one of them but when I changed the date, the file wouldn't open. (Don't worry, I made a duplicate of the file before I started messing with it.) I'd be happy if I could even renew the books but that's not an option.

I'd gladly pay a fee for a library if I could keep the books longer or renew them. Using the library for ebooks is saving me a LOT of money regardless of the drawbacks.

FizzyWater · 03-17-2011, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lorraineg57

Well, I managed to get the books "unexpired" on my laptop by setting the date back on the laptop itself. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any way to change the date on the nook so I guess I'm out of luck.

Did you look around or ask on the Nook forum? I know how to change the date on my Sony, but I don't have a Nook so I don't know the instructions. I imagine there's a way, though.

lorraineg57 · 03-17-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FizzyWater

Did you look around or ask on the Nook forum? I know how to change the date on my Sony, but I don't have a Nook so I don't know the instructions. I imagine there's a way, though.

off to check there now...thanks!

Joykins · 03-17-2011, 11:12 PM

I haven't personally tried this because I can read a library book in a few days or less (fast reader), but folks on nookboards found this out:

http://www.nookboards.com/forum/index.php?topic=4205.0

lorraineg57 · 03-18-2011, 03:25 PM

Sweet! Just wish I'd known that before I loaded all the books into ADE! Too late now!

elemenoP · 03-20-2011, 02:39 PM

There should be a name, like Moore's Law or Murphy's Law, for the phenomenom of "no matter how far apart I stagger my ebook holds, they will all come in at the same time."

We could call it "elemenoP's Law."

eP

lorraineg57 · 03-20-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by elemenoP

There should be a name, like Moore's Law or Murphy's Law, for the phenomenom of "no matter how far apart I stagger my ebook holds, they will all come in at the same time."

We could call it "elemenoP's Law."

eP

That is SO true.

icedtea · 03-20-2011, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joykins

I haven't personally tried this because I can read a library book in a few days or less (fast reader), but folks on nookboards found this out:

http://www.nookboards.com/forum/index.php?topic=4205.0

Interesting read, thanks.

Unfortunately, it didn't work for me. When I tried opening the acsm file two days later today, it failed. Downloading a new ascm file did work/open in ADE. So, I still have access to the book, but not on a time-shifted basis like those lucky Nook folks - the correct number of lending days remains for me.

Joykins · 03-20-2011, 08:00 PM

I think some people found it varied by library, whether it worked or not.

wandalynn · 03-20-2011, 08:24 PM

The nookboard folks are posting that this method no longer works. Someone at Overdrive must have read the boards and fixed the loophole.

lorraineg57 · 03-20-2011, 10:07 PM

yup, just tried opening one I downloaded a few days ago. No go...won't open. License expired.

lorraineg57 · 03-21-2011, 12:07 AM

Well, one of the ones I'd not finished came available again. I downloaded it and I'm getting a "no record is found on this computer for this loan" in ADE....great!

FF2 · 03-21-2011, 01:34 AM

Okay, I have read enough - strip the drm and read the book. I have to guess you pay your taxes. Those taxes support your library. They purchased the book and it can be loaned out to anyone. Only you cannot read it.

03-20-2011, 02:39 PM	#23
elemenoP Wizard Posts: 1,717 Karma: 3790058 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: NYC Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Sony 650	There should be a name, like Moore's Law or Murphy's Law, for the phenomenom of "no matter how far apart I stagger my ebook holds, they will all come in at the same time." We could call it "elemenoP's Law." eP Last edited by elemenoP; 03-20-2011 at 02:43 PM.

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03-17-2011, 08:40 PM	#18
lorraineg57 Connoisseur Posts: 56 Karma: 700010 Join Date: May 2007 Location: PA Device: Nook Classic, Iphone 4	Well, I managed to get the books "unexpired" on my laptop by setting the date back on the laptop itself. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any way to change the date on the nook so I guess I'm out of luck. As soon as I transfer the books to the nook, they come up as expired or about to expire. One of the books that expires I think in 5 days is over 500 pages so that's not going to get read. I waited over a month to get it too. I'm not likely to read them on the laptop. Can't believe there's not some kind of workaround. It's got to be embedded somewhere (exp. date). I thought I found it when I opened the acsm file for one of them but when I changed the date, the file wouldn't open. (Don't worry, I made a duplicate of the file before I started messing with it.) I'd be happy if I could even renew the books but that's not an option. I'd gladly pay a fee for a library if I could keep the books longer or renew them. Using the library for ebooks is saving me a LOT of money regardless of the drawbacks.

03-17-2011, 11:12 PM	#21
Joykins Wizard Posts: 1,612 Karma: 9211856 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: kindle Oasis 2018, kindle 4 NT, kindle PW2, iPhone, iPad mini	I haven't personally tried this because I can read a library book in a few days or less (fast reader), but folks on nookboards found this out: http://www.nookboards.com/forum/index.php?topic=4205.0

03-18-2011, 03:25 PM	#22
lorraineg57 Connoisseur Posts: 56 Karma: 700010 Join Date: May 2007 Location: PA Device: Nook Classic, Iphone 4	Sweet! Just wish I'd known that before I loaded all the books into ADE! Too late now!

03-20-2011, 08:00 PM	#26
Joykins Wizard Posts: 1,612 Karma: 9211856 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: kindle Oasis 2018, kindle 4 NT, kindle PW2, iPhone, iPad mini	I think some people found it varied by library, whether it worked or not.

03-20-2011, 08:24 PM	#27
wandalynn Addict Posts: 351 Karma: 805324 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Baja Arizona Device: nook, Aluratek Libre	The nookboard folks are posting that this method no longer works. Someone at Overdrive must have read the boards and fixed the loophole.

03-20-2011, 10:07 PM	#28
lorraineg57 Connoisseur Posts: 56 Karma: 700010 Join Date: May 2007 Location: PA Device: Nook Classic, Iphone 4	yup, just tried opening one I downloaded a few days ago. No go...won't open. License expired.

03-21-2011, 12:07 AM	#29
lorraineg57 Connoisseur Posts: 56 Karma: 700010 Join Date: May 2007 Location: PA Device: Nook Classic, Iphone 4	Well, one of the ones I'd not finished came available again. I downloaded it and I'm getting a "no record is found on this computer for this loan" in ADE....great!

03-21-2011, 01:34 AM	#30
FF2 Wizard Posts: 1,105 Karma: 1025784 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: WiFi Kindle3	Okay, I have read enough - strip the drm and read the book. I have to guess you pay your taxes. Those taxes support your library. They purchased the book and it can be loaned out to anyone. Only you cannot read it.

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