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Old 02-02-2011, 12:46 PM   #91
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I used to be a big Apple fan. I have owned more than 1 iPhone and I have made hubby go stand in line to buy them on the first day they were released.

Notice I said used to be.
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Old 02-02-2011, 12:52 PM   #93
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I'm beyond tired of format wars, I'm beyond tired of the games these companies play, I just want to read books. This is supposed to be a free market, but none of these companies want any competition, and we consumers are the ones that get caught in the middle.
Right now, the format of choice is ePub with Adobe Adept DRM. That is what is mostly used. It's a world wide format. Even libraries use it. The only real issue is that of georestriction. I know companies are playing stupid games in order to screw with customers. The agency model isn't working. All it's doing is causing higher prices and angry customers.

If we didn't have Apple, we would not have the Agency 5 that screws with customers. But also what we need to get rid of is DRM. DRM is what's causing B&N's ePub not to work with a Sony Reader.
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Kenschunk, in my first post here, I would have agreed with you, and the main issue with Sony's app being rejected seems to be that they made their own in-app purchasing system (with the issues I outlined before that go with it).

However, a statement made by Apple later that day about the issue brings to light the issues with content purchased for applications that we are all enraged over. This isn't in the agreement (yet), and it is basically blindsiding the users and developers.
This is correct. And as even uber-Apple fanboy John Gruber says:

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The Sony app isn't the issue, IMO. That brings up a side argument and company baggage that isn't central to my concerns as an iDevice buyer.

Why I will no longer buy Apple devices now:

There's no immediate effect on my access to books even with Apple now enforcing the requirement for app developers to offer buying both inside and outside an app. But I wonder what happens the next time a business dispute crops up between a content provider and Apple. If Apple later decides it wants 31 percent and X company says no, what happens to my access to that company's books? Such possible ripple effects are endless, though my risk is uncertain. But as a consumer, there's no reason I have to risk my access to books over loyalty to Apple. I'm not loyal as a consumer. I look out for myself, so I'll buy another platform.
This probably won't stop me from buying another iPhone, but it has completely put the kibosh on buying an iPad, which is something I was considering. Not primarily for reading, but reading would be an important enough feature that I won't buy a tablet that doesn't have the Kindle app.
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This probably won't stop me from buying another iPhone, but it has completely put the kibosh on buying an iPad, which is something I was considering. Not primarily for reading, but reading would be an important enough feature that I won't buy a tablet that doesn't have the Kindle app.
Sure, I hear you. Each consumer will have his own priorities. One of my priorities is having all my mobile devices on one platform. I'm lazy that way.
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It is Adobe and Sony's fault. Adobe was supposed to update ADE last year to work with the B&N DRM but they haven't.
If Adobe was supposed to update ADE, and they did not, then how can it be Sony's fault? Also, it is B&N's fault for going with yet another DRM scheme. We didn't need it, but yet we have it. Apple also went with a different DRM for ePub. That I suppose is also Sony's fault?
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What concerns me is that this could spread to other Apple products. They have a Mac App Store now. What if they don't allow access to content bought outside the Mac App store within Mac Apps. There are plenty of other ways to get software for the Mac... now. But as users rely more and more on the app store and as Apple updates their system software, will this continue?
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Or maybe just hover the mouse over it and the link shows up in the status bar.

And I'm sure Jon is aware of that.
I am using an iPad sitting on the deck by the pool. Hovering does not work with iOS.
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If Adobe was supposed to update ADE, and they did not, then how can it be Sony's fault? Also, it is B&N's fault for going with yet another DRM scheme. We didn't need it, but yet we have it. Apple also went with a different DRM for ePub. That I suppose is also Sony's fault?
Barnes & Nobel is using the same DRM scheme in an updated form that allows a different authentication method. It is up to Sony to update the DRM software on their devices to allow this, but at the same time Adobe needs to update their own software to work with this updated ADE DRM.

More information on the Nook and its slightly different DRM here.

On a side note, it looks like eventually the lendme feature could work between all devices using ADE!
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What concerns me is that this could spread to other Apple products. They have a Mac App Store now. What if they don't allow access to content bought outside the Mac App store within Mac Apps. There are plenty of other ways to get software for the Mac... now. But as users rely more and more on the app store and as Apple updates their system software, will this continue?
I've never owned a Mac, but I'd be wondering about this, too, if I did.
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I am using an iPad sitting on the deck by the pool. Hovering does not work with iOS.
Must be nice. I'm sitting at my computer desk looking out the snowy window.

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