Will Kindle become the ereader orphan?

GoversAU · 01-13-2011, 03:36 PM

Quote:

"Google buys eBook Technologies

Digital books sold through the eBookstore can be read on the Sony Reader, the "Nook" from Barnes & Noble and other dedicated e-readers but not on the popular Kindle from Amazon."

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...114-19q3i.html

I just don't see how Amazon can hold the line on this. There must come a time, and soon, when they provide Epub capability on Kindles.

HarryT · 01-13-2011, 03:46 PM

I honestly can't see why. They have the world's largest ebook store and they own their own format and DRM mechanism. There's no reason at all for them to adopt ePub. They want people to buy from their store, not from other people's.

GoversAU · 01-13-2011, 03:57 PM

I can see your point when it comes to other ebook sellers such as B & N, but Google is a BIG player.

I think this could be a battle like VHS vs Beta where there can be only one winner.

DiapDealer · 01-13-2011, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Will Kindle become the ereader orphan?

If so, I'll gladly be opening an orphanage for wayward Kindles.

GoversAU · 01-13-2011, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

If so, I'll gladly be opening an orphanage for wayward Kindles.

You'll have lots of willing fosterers!

(Not sure fosterers is actually a word but you get my point.)

Daithi · 01-13-2011, 04:27 PM

I wish Amazon supported ePub, but I agree with Harry. Supporting it would only encourage their customers to shop at competitors. I also wouldn't bet against Amazon, especially since the Google software has its own issues. If I were buying my first eReader today it would still be a Kindle.

ProfCrash · 01-13-2011, 04:37 PM

If Amazon feels that it is in its best interest to support EPub it will support EPub.

Given that Nook, Sony, and Kobo readers are buying books from Amazon I am sure that adding EPub to the Kindle would only increase the amount of money that Amazon makes.

Honestly, I am not all that worried about it.

pboss · 01-13-2011, 04:42 PM

Yay Google again!

Elfwreck · 01-13-2011, 04:49 PM

Amazon won't ever need to provide epub support, unless someone else is offering a substantial collection not available at Amazon.

If Google gets the actual rights to sell orphan & out-of-print books without directly negotiating for each of them (that's what the settlement includes, but it hasn't been approved, and it faces some serious obstacles), it could eventually push Amazon into supporting epub. But unless there are thousands of much-desired ebooks that *can't convert* to Kindle formats, they don't need to broaden their support.

Right now, the indie presses aren't competing with that market, because non-DRM'd ebooks can just run through Amazon's converter. And if Google books are only readable online, that won't be a factor, because they won't be readable with the Kindle anyway. (Unless Kindle's web viewer allows them, in which case, still not a reason to expand.)

But if Google is offering thousands of *wanted* books in epub (... if they get better than raw OCR output for their books...), buyers might get tired of having to send them through the converter. Instead of upgrading their Kindles, they might a Nook or Sony when they want a new ebook reader.

It'd take a huge collection and a fun-to-browse ebookstore to make it worth considering a switch. That, or a shift in ebook standards so that people demand the formatting abilities of epub that are missing in mobi. That'd take publishers providing ebooks in other than basic text-with-ital/bold for ebooks; I don't see that happening anytime soon.

bevdeforges · 01-13-2011, 05:00 PM

Amazon doesn't have to provide ePub capability on their Kindle. They actually could simply offer both mobi and ePub editions of some or all of the e-books they sell.

It won't happen tomorrow. But I bought my Sony Reader from an Amazon vendor. I figure it's more likely they'll offer ePubs in some fashion eventually - if not through Amazon directly, then through one of their "Marketplace" vendors.
Cheers,
Bev

abookreader · 01-13-2011, 05:56 PM

All I can tell you is that I've tried out the Google bookstore a couple of times now. For a company that made its name off of being a search engine - that search is about a sucktastic as it could possibly be.

But I agree with the above, for Google to orphan Amazon they will have to offer something that Amazon doesn't. Better prices, different books, something. Simply entering the game at this point isn't going to do it because we all already HAVE plenty of places to shop for eBooks.

SamuraiXSendai · 01-13-2011, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abookreader

All I can tell you is that I've tried out the Google bookstore a couple of times now. For a company that made its name off of being a search engine - that search is about a sucktastic as it could possibly be.

But I agree with the above, for Google to orphan Amazon they will have to offer something that Amazon doesn't. Better prices, different books, something. Simply entering the game at this point isn't going to do it because we all already HAVE plenty of places to shop for eBooks.

Google already knows it's search sucks:
http://venturebeat.com/2011/01/12/google-search/

Belle2Be · 01-13-2011, 06:47 PM

Why is no-one ever ranting about how come Google or B&N don't support azw or mobi?

HarryT · 01-13-2011, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belle2Be

Why is no-one ever ranting about how come Google or B&N don't support azw or mobi?

Personally, for the simple reason that they don't do business outside the US, so I really couldn't give a damn what they sell

.

janvanmaar · 01-13-2011, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Amazon won't ever need to provide epub support, unless someone else is offering a substantial collection not available at Amazon.

That time has already come, in Europe at least. Try to search for a few (DRM'ed) German, French, Dutch, Spanish,... books in mobi and then try it in epub. Unless your sample is very small or skewed in some way, you will find a clear epub win. Except of UK, Amazon is totally loosing the battle in Europe.
It is true that just switching to epub would not help dramatically: it is also about too little advertisement and too small focus. The reader has to be ordered from US, US warranty conditions apply etc. However, it is likely that Amazon will try to reconsider and focus more on Europe at some point - and at that point they might HAVE TO start supporting epub.

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Augen "The Book" is a Orphan	RadioMan52	More E-Book Readers	31	02-10-2012 07:02 PM
The Key to Magic -Book I: Orphan	Rhynedahll	Self-Promotions by Authors and Publishers	17	01-20-2011 08:48 AM
How to prevent ellipsis orphan?	Chad48309	ePub	2	08-16-2010 09:43 PM
Preventing "orphan" right smartquotes?	kjk	ePub	6	11-11-2009 04:40 PM
Copyright and orphan works	VillageReader	Lounge	40	06-01-2008 07:05 PM

01-13-2011, 03:46 PM	#2
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I honestly can't see why. They have the world's largest ebook store and they own their own format and DRM mechanism. There's no reason at all for them to adopt ePub. They want people to buy from their store, not from other people's.

01-13-2011, 03:57 PM	#3
GoversAU Enthusiast Posts: 33 Karma: 2236 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Australia Device: Kindle DXG, Kindle Oasis	I can see your point when it comes to other ebook sellers such as B & N, but Google is a BIG player. I think this could be a battle like VHS vs Beta where there can be only one winner.

01-13-2011, 04:27 PM	#6
Daithi Publishers are evil! Posts: 2,418 Karma: 36205264 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rhode Island Device: Various Kindles	I wish Amazon supported ePub, but I agree with Harry. Supporting it would only encourage their customers to shop at competitors. I also wouldn't bet against Amazon, especially since the Google software has its own issues. If I were buying my first eReader today it would still be a Kindle.

01-13-2011, 04:37 PM	#7
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	If Amazon feels that it is in its best interest to support EPub it will support EPub. Given that Nook, Sony, and Kobo readers are buying books from Amazon I am sure that adding EPub to the Kindle would only increase the amount of money that Amazon makes. Honestly, I am not all that worried about it.

01-13-2011, 04:42 PM	#8
pboss Evangelist Posts: 408 Karma: 646 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: none	Yay Google again!

01-13-2011, 04:49 PM	#9
Elfwreck Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,187 Karma: 25133758 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area, California, USA Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3 (Past: Kobo Mini, PEZ, PRS-505, Clié)	Amazon won't ever need to provide epub support, unless someone else is offering a substantial collection not available at Amazon. If Google gets the actual rights to sell orphan & out-of-print books without directly negotiating for each of them (that's what the settlement includes, but it hasn't been approved, and it faces some serious obstacles), it could eventually push Amazon into supporting epub. But unless there are thousands of much-desired ebooks that can't convert to Kindle formats, they don't need to broaden their support. Right now, the indie presses aren't competing with that market, because non-DRM'd ebooks can just run through Amazon's converter. And if Google books are only readable online, that won't be a factor, because they won't be readable with the Kindle anyway. (Unless Kindle's web viewer allows them, in which case, still not a reason to expand.) But if Google is offering thousands of wanted books in epub (... if they get better than raw OCR output for their books...), buyers might get tired of having to send them through the converter. Instead of upgrading their Kindles, they might a Nook or Sony when they want a new ebook reader. It'd take a huge collection and a fun-to-browse ebookstore to make it worth considering a switch. That, or a shift in ebook standards so that people demand the formatting abilities of epub that are missing in mobi. That'd take publishers providing ebooks in other than basic text-with-ital/bold for ebooks; I don't see that happening anytime soon.

01-13-2011, 05:00 PM	#10
bevdeforges Addict Posts: 288 Karma: 1094000 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Essonne, France Device: Kobo Forma; Sony PRS600B; Sony 350; Sony T-2	Amazon doesn't have to provide ePub capability on their Kindle. They actually could simply offer both mobi and ePub editions of some or all of the e-books they sell. It won't happen tomorrow. But I bought my Sony Reader from an Amazon vendor. I figure it's more likely they'll offer ePubs in some fashion eventually - if not through Amazon directly, then through one of their "Marketplace" vendors. Cheers, Bev

01-13-2011, 05:56 PM	#11
abookreader Wizard Posts: 1,516 Karma: 2567610 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: Kindles - Keyboard, Fire, 2-US, iPhone, iPAD	All I can tell you is that I've tried out the Google bookstore a couple of times now. For a company that made its name off of being a search engine - that search is about a sucktastic as it could possibly be. But I agree with the above, for Google to orphan Amazon they will have to offer something that Amazon doesn't. Better prices, different books, something. Simply entering the game at this point isn't going to do it because we all already HAVE plenty of places to shop for eBooks.

01-13-2011, 06:47 PM	#13
Belle2Be Peace, Love, and Books Posts: 355 Karma: 1242738 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kindle 3(3g), NookColor	Why is no-one ever ranting about how come Google or B&N don't support azw or mobi?