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Old 01-06-2011, 01:42 AM   #181
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But the issue at hand is whether DMCA trumps fair-use or not and if not, then it isn't illegal. And if DMCA trumps fair use, we need to elect politicians willing to vote away DMCA.
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But, if you were to borrow say a DVD or an audio-book or a paper book and keep them past the due date without renewing, then you get fined. Why is it OK to keep digital library materials past the due date?

What I want to know though is if you borrow an eBook from the library, strip the DRM, read the book (no matter how long it takes), will you delete all copies of it after you are done reading?
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The reason I said 650 is that I have a strong feeling that after seeing the pearl screen of a K3, only the 650's Pearl screen will be good enough.
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They don't have a Pearl screen. So they may not be acceptable.
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But the DMCA may be illegal unto itself for trying to trounce fair use. We just don't know. So saying DMCA makes it illegal to strip DRM for personal use is wrong. It is unknown if it is or is not illegal. So don't say it is as DMCA may be the illegal thing here.
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I was only listing readers with a Pearl screen that uses ADE to display ePub.
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And I was going to suggest that you look at the content that's wanting to be read and see where it's available from and decide what reader's will handle said content. Being that library eBooks are some of that content, I'd suggest sending back the K3 in favor of one that handles ePub from the library.
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But the EULA that you don't read and don't have to read and don't even get shown when you buy eBooks also says you don't have the right to strip DRM.

I had an Amazon.com long before there was a Kindle and even before Amazon started selling eBooks. I was never told or shown and made to click some box saying I've ever read the EULA for Kindle eBooks. So I'm thinking that the EULA is not really valid as I've never had to read it or even say I have. I can claim I never knew about it. I can claim Amazon didn't make it known I had to read it. So really, the EULA for most eBooks is useless.
you've been here how long? is multi quote still beyond you?
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:55 AM   #182
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Okay, now let me try and explain how you are misreading this case and misunderstanding the comments made by the judge.
Thank you for the most lucid explanation. Very enlightening!
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:14 AM   #183
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you've been here how long? is multi quote still beyond you?
LOL! Actually, kk, it's beyond me! How do you do it?
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:33 AM   #184
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LOL! Actually, kk, it's beyond me! How do you do it?
Next to the quote button is a litte square button that says "multi-quote" when you hover over it.
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Old 01-06-2011, 04:02 AM   #185
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Thanks Poppaea! I never noticed that before. I'll have to try it.
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Old 01-06-2011, 04:08 AM   #186
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Thanks Poppaea! I never noticed that before. I'll have to try it.
Haven't tried it myself, yet... just knew it was there.
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Old 01-06-2011, 06:25 AM   #187
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Next to the quote button is a litte square button that says "multi-quote" when you hover over it.
I didn't know that, actually, I'd always wondered how to do the multi quote!
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Old 01-06-2011, 08:27 AM   #188
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Next to the quote button is a litte square button that says "multi-quote" when you hover over it.
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Thanks Poppaea! I never noticed that before. I'll have to try it.
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I didn't know that, actually, I'd always wondered how to do the multi quote!

There is another step! First, you click the "Multiple Quote" button for each post you would like to quote, then you click the "New Reply" button as usual, and all of the quotes will show up in your "reply" screen.

You can then type under all of them as I am doing now, or type between each set of quotes to respond to each one individually.
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Haven't tried it myself, yet... just knew it was there.
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I didn't know that, actually, I'd always wondered how to do the multi quote!
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LOL! Actually, kk, it's beyond me! How do you do it?
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Thanks Poppaea! I never noticed that before. I'll have to try it.
Oh, this is nice. You have to mark this muli-quote button on all messages you want to quote and then hit the quote button on the last message.
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Old 01-06-2011, 08:30 AM   #190
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There is another step! First, you click the "Multiple Quote" button for each post you would like to quote, then you click the "New Reply" button as usual, and all of the quotes will show up in your "reply" screen.

You can then type under all of them as I am doing now, or type between each set of quotes to respond to each one individually.
Or, you can click the normal "Quote" button for the last of the posts you want to multi-quote (having clicked the "Multiple Quote" button for all the rest).

Same result, one fewer click
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Oh, this is nice. You have to mark this muli-quote button on all messages you want to quote and then hit the quote button on the last message.
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Or, you can click the normal "Quote" button for the last of the posts you want to multi-quote (having clicked the "Multiple Quote" button for all the rest).

Same result, one fewer click
Ooops, sorry, cross posted!
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Thank you for the most lucid explanation. Very enlightening!
I actually enjoyed going though the paces - I always learn something when I do & I learned - or at least refreshed my memory about - a couple of obscure lawyer type things in this case.

BTW I see you are proofreading a Buchan book - I take it that this is a good one or you wouldn't be spending your time on it...?
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But multi-quoting doesn't do much for your post count!
Ah, but it makes your karma look more impressive!

(I didn't know the multiquote trick, either.)
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