Will the Amazon Kindle cost US$50? - Page 18

NatCh · 10-09-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mogui

Sorry NatCh. Translation services cost extra!

Okay, you leave me no choice but to ... use google!

Seems to root back to Hebrew (by way of Scottish influence) to "God is gracious" or "God is great" -- am I in the right ballpark?

RalphTrickey · 10-09-2007, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

Okay, you leave me no choice but to ... use google!

Seems to root back to Hebrew (by way of Scottish influence) to "God is gracious" or "God is great" -- am I in the right ballpark?

Try the Wikipedia. It's more like Demon or Devil or some obscure 3rd century Chinese warlord.

NatCh · 10-09-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RalphTrickey

Try the Wikipedia. It's more like Demon or Devil or some obscure 3rd century Chinese warlord.

I was working from the (presumed) Chinese characters he tacked on the end of his post.

RalphTrickey · 10-09-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

I was working from the (presumed) Chinese characters he tacked on the end of his post.

I was going by his user name. If you read the wikipedia entry, I suspect that they are the same thing. The original meaning has been corrupted a bit over time.

NatCh · 10-09-2007, 12:06 PM

Quite possibly, so, RalphTrickey.

yvanleterrible · 10-09-2007, 01:13 PM

C'mon guys he left a clue... lawn... Garden Gnome!

mogui · 10-09-2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

C'mon guys he left a clue... lawn... Garden Gnome!

Careful! I could put a spell on you!

brecklundin · 10-10-2007, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RalphTrickey

I suspect that the module will also handle the slower sppeds, so it's probably going to be almost anywhere that you can get Cell Phone coverage, you'll be able to download. That's urban and the transportation corridors, or probably 90% of the population.

WiFi is definitely NOT ubiquitous. I don't know of anywhere outside of my house that I've been able to get WiFi, while I've been able to get EV-DO to work in 90% of the places I've been lately. The places where I couldn't get EV-DO, I couldn 't get wifi either.

Last check in our town there are ZERO 3G services and no plans to add them anytime soon. But that was a year ago I looked into it...

Meanwhile we do have a muni wifi that works for the most part...sorta...but almost anywhere I am in town I have wifi. It costs me about $15/mo for up to three simultaneous connections.

EVDO is expensive. $60/mo for so-called unlimited plans. Of course those unlimited plans are quite limited. Data caps and use restrictions are pretty restrictive.

OTOH, wifi can exist in every home with broadband...it can be had at McDonalds, Starbucks, Burger King, Borders, Barnes & Noble, UPS Stores, Kinko's...etc...wifi is a value added service many small business owners can easily afford to bring in customers.

Ignoring the technical merits of one service over the other...cost is the main issue...

I am just thinking that EVDO service is an expensive addition only a small subset of cellular consumers will have...wifi is pretty common, almost everywhere...the idea is to get the device into the hands of as many consumers as possible. Better to have a more flexible wireless option...so, hopefully it will come standard with wifi and have an option to add an EVDO module.

mocelet · 10-10-2007, 08:15 AM

I am not aware of EV-DO being available in the UK, out 3G phone network is W-CDMA as fas as I know.

However, even assuming that there is a W-CDMA or even a GPRS version of the Kindle for the UK/Europe, surely this would mean it needed a SIM card to access the network. Does this mean that Amazon will have some mega deal with a cell network to provide the connection so it "just works", or will Kindle users all have to shell out for another cell connection plan to use the Whispernet?

yvanleterrible · 10-10-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mogui

Careful! I could put a spell on you!

RalphTrickey · 10-10-2007, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mocelet

I am not aware of EV-DO being available in the UK, out 3G phone network is W-CDMA as fas as I know.

However, even assuming that there is a W-CDMA or even a GPRS version of the Kindle for the UK/Europe, surely this would mean it needed a SIM card to access the network. Does this mean that Amazon will have some mega deal with a cell network to provide the connection so it "just works", or will Kindle users all have to shell out for another cell connection plan to use the Whispernet?

The documents said it was EV-DO/CDMA a year ago. I assume/hope that they've set up contracts with a major carrier to allow for downloads. I'd hope that they are covering the cost of that in any subscriptions/downloads.

MikeF74 · 10-10-2007, 04:29 PM

Amazon probably set themselves up as their own cellular carrier and has signed peering agreements. Not exactly peering, since Amazon will only be leeching. But at any rate, this would do away with the need for monthly usage billing to the customer. Amazon just pays the carriers for actual usage at wholesale rates. Then just calls that money the "cost of doing business". The money to pay for bandwith would come a little from device sales and a little on book sales percentages.

All speculation of course.

NatCh · 10-10-2007, 04:33 PM

Speculation it may be, MikeF74, but it's an excellent idea -- certainly the only approach I'd consider buying into as a prospective customer.

I hope the wonks at Amazon are as clever as you are.

MikeF74 · 10-10-2007, 04:38 PM

Someone should search cellular company FCC filings for "whisper" to see if they can find any fairly new carriers with that in their name.

delphidb96 · 10-10-2007, 05:15 PM

All I really want to know is this... Will I be able to buy a Kindle - this week - for a very low price as long as I sign up for a 2, 3 or 5 year ebook subscription program! By very low I mean less than $100!

When someone can tell me this and where the Kindle is listed within Amazon, I'm ready to buy!

Derek

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10-09-2007, 12:06 PM	#260
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Quite possibly, so, RalphTrickey.

10-09-2007, 01:13 PM	#261
yvanleterrible Reborn Paper User Posts: 8,616 Karma: 15446734 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Que Nada Device: iPhone8, iPad Air	C'mon guys he left a clue... lawn... Garden Gnome!

10-10-2007, 08:15 AM	#264
mocelet Connoisseur Posts: 56 Karma: 11 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: iLiad / Palm Vx / Nokia E65	I am not aware of EV-DO being available in the UK, out 3G phone network is W-CDMA as fas as I know. However, even assuming that there is a W-CDMA or even a GPRS version of the Kindle for the UK/Europe, surely this would mean it needed a SIM card to access the network. Does this mean that Amazon will have some mega deal with a cell network to provide the connection so it "just works", or will Kindle users all have to shell out for another cell connection plan to use the Whispernet?

10-10-2007, 04:29 PM	#267
MikeF74 Groupie Posts: 179 Karma: 28 Join Date: May 2007 Device: Sony PRS-505	Amazon probably set themselves up as their own cellular carrier and has signed peering agreements. Not exactly peering, since Amazon will only be leeching. But at any rate, this would do away with the need for monthly usage billing to the customer. Amazon just pays the carriers for actual usage at wholesale rates. Then just calls that money the "cost of doing business". The money to pay for bandwith would come a little from device sales and a little on book sales percentages. All speculation of course.

10-10-2007, 04:33 PM	#268
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Speculation it may be, MikeF74, but it's an excellent idea -- certainly the only approach I'd consider buying into as a prospective customer. I hope the wonks at Amazon are as clever as you are.

10-10-2007, 04:38 PM	#269
MikeF74 Groupie Posts: 179 Karma: 28 Join Date: May 2007 Device: Sony PRS-505	Someone should search cellular company FCC filings for "whisper" to see if they can find any fairly new carriers with that in their name.

10-10-2007, 05:15 PM	#270
delphidb96 Wizard Posts: 2,999 Karma: 300001 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Citrus Heights, California Device: TWO Kindle 2s, one each Bookeen Cybook Gen3, Sony PRS-500, Axim X51V	All I really want to know is this... Will I be able to buy a Kindle - this week - for a very low price as long as I sign up for a 2, 3 or 5 year ebook subscription program! By very low I mean less than $100! When someone can tell me this and where the Kindle is listed within Amazon, I'm ready to buy! Derek