Onyx Boox Max2 Issues - Page 11

rogerpiano · 01-14-2018, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdp

Try Librera from Ivan Ivanenko.

I tried Librera but the problem persists (only with that file ...).

Basically it seems that if you move the page from the centered position (even inadvertently) the Max has difficulty turning the page and crashes. All the touches I make accumulate and start slowly in sequence. In this case I have to restart.

Patience, will mean that I will use that file only in portrait mode, but I keep wondering what can cause this.

plusz · 01-14-2018, 11:29 AM

I must admit that the side note feature in Neo reader on the newest Max 2 is very nice. When could we expect the app update on older Max devices?

There's no special requirements for that, older spec devices would handle it as well. Not to mention that the idea came from older Max devices users. I just wonder how good Onyx support is long term.

DuckieTigger · 01-14-2018, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogerpiano

I tried Librera but the problem persists (only with that file ...).

Basically it seems that if you move the page from the centered position (even inadvertently) the Max has difficulty turning the page and crashes. All the touches I make accumulate and start slowly in sequence. In this case I have to restart.

Patience, will mean that I will use that file only in portrait mode, but I keep wondering what can cause this.

Did you try to turn it into a "dumb" pdf? By printing it out as pdf file on your computer. Probably lose links and such, but it should be a functioning pdf file.

I have a pdf that fails to print with the windows pdf printer, but works fine when using chrome, print, save as pdf.

mdp · 01-14-2018, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plusz

I won't argue where the 8x number come from... some synthetic marketing here

No, my numbers thrown in sheer theory and then my experience confirmed them.
When using parallelism, it appears 8x faster than the MaxCarta.

Quote:

Originally Posted by plusz

maybe the touch layer?

Most probably. Does not bother here.

mdp · 01-14-2018, 02:55 PM

Ok - now a pretty serious problem started.

The device is getting "ghost" input.
It is taking input on its own, like in `monkey`.
And it does not respond to input - it is already busy with the virtual input it gets.

I was checking again the pages from "Il barbiere di Siviglia" from roger, and I cannot control the device... I tap on screen, no effect; I click on "Next", it goes back again...

Anybody experienced that?

EDIT: it stopped. Although, it had me scared.
I saw a similar thing with the MaxCarta, like always auto tapping not far from the hardware "back" button.

Pajamaman · 01-14-2018, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcosscriven

I just wanted to draw a line under previous posts, and looking to approach this positively.

Here's the two errors I see about 50% of the time when I try display app:

I haven't really been able to find any consistency in when it happens. Things I've tried:

Restarting Boox
A different HDMI cable
A different source
Quitting monitor app in process viewer

If I keep fiddling, it eventually works.

You'll also see the reflections in the photos, which is something I was hoping to avoid, and honestly does seem more pronounced than my Kindle. I'm not sure if that's just because it's larger, or if the touch sensitive surface is more reflective.

Finding an apk and maybe an old version instead of going through googleplay might help.

plusz · 01-14-2018, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdp

Ok - now a pretty serious problem started.

The device is getting "ghost" input.
It is taking input on its own, like in `monkey`.
And it does not respond to input - it is already busy with the virtual input it gets.

I was checking again the pages from "Il barbiere di Siviglia" from roger, and I cannot control the device... I tap on screen, no effect; I click on "Next", it goes back again...

Anybody experienced that?

EDIT: it stopped. Although, it had me scared.
I saw a similar thing with the MaxCarta, like always auto tapping not far from the hardware "back" button.

Mine got crazy during power on. I tilted it sideways and the screen flipped 90 degrees - does it has gyro sensor? Whilst in the horizontal mode it did not finish booting but displayed some message box, cannot remember, I could not touch the cancel button correctly as the touch input was going from elsewhere... eventually I forced shutdown by the button and started again keeping it in vertical position.

filmo · 01-15-2018, 11:57 AM

Easy turn off light mounted close to camera lens. Should be enough light in well lighted room to take steady picture.

Light illuminating screen should be to side of camera lens at 45 degree angle so bright light source image is reflection away from lens and providing good even lighting of screen.
https://www.amazon.com/Albinar-x15-7...ds=copy+stands

alcedo · 01-18-2018, 04:31 PM

In "side notes" after writing something it gets hidden after the next action, no matter what (switching page, pressing button) and it won't come back, except in toc menu. I have the notion it is as with every action the hide function is triggered, which can be switched on and off in "scribble".

Hdmi monitor function is not working for me (with Acer Aspire/Gnome3), there is not signal in mirror mode or if built-in screen is switched off, and as secondary monitor it's not really helpful, unstable and unpredictive.

zync100 · 01-19-2018, 11:18 PM

I have a question but not an issue to ask. When I annotate a pdf file, can I also rest my palm on the screen or would that cause some problem since it is touch screen?

Jayjee · 01-20-2018, 07:24 AM

After some weeks of use of the device, here a short resumé of my wishes / issues:
(in the beginning, my complete subjective rating from 0 (irrelevant for me) to 10 (really important to me))

(8) temporarily disabling capacity screen / finger touch, preferably with a toggle like for the screen mode in the notification bar
- in other apps, e.g. the sheetmusic app, otherwise finger touch counts as drawing
(9) shortcut to screen refresh (long press of menu button, tapping the clock) should work also in A2 mode
- it is where ghosting is most relevant - or am I missing something?
(8) long press on back button could trigger turn to home screen
- that would be a simple and easy shortcut
(2) the rotation app that is supposed to start with powerup is not starting and needs to be started manually
(7) google play: both the InAppPurchases and the Contacts do not work
- a pity, e.g. when you want to write emails
(2) Browser - when I set "most visited pages" as the default new tab location,
I get "Connection problem net::ERR_ACCESS_DENIED"
(9) Neoreader - display dual page display in landscape rotation
- that is the only reason I am not using the stock app for my sheet music - I love the easiness of annotating in the app, but I need to be able to have two pages on display at the same time
(7) Neoreader: when annotating, you can't write in the top area of the pdf because it is covered by a menu bar (undo, save, redo etc)
- either make possible to slide the bar up or to the side, or make the pdf fit the screen below the bar
- I need that area to annotate scores very frequently and can't access it
(5) Neoreader: annotation drawn with Pen is also visible on the next page, when I turn to it.
Opening and closing the pdf resolves that issue, then the annotation only appears on the correct page
This is NOT a ghosting issue, for the first it is equally clear on both pages, and a screen refresh does not resolve it.
(6) Notes app: I would like to have the notification bar visible in the app to have easy access to its features
- e.g. recent apps,
(8) Notes app sometimes hangs for between several seconds up to almost half a minute
- I have not been able to establish what triggers that - the screen gets completely unresponsive, and after the timeout, everything works again (including the penstrokes that where done during "time out")
(5) Notes app: possibility for batch renaming and moving notes
- right now, you have to do it one by one
(3) reflection
- sometimes it is irritating, though tilting the device almost always helps.
(5) I would love USB OTG - both for USB mass storage and USB keyboards
(2) Power button location
- the rotation app is good enough a workaround for me

These things set aside, I am really happy about the reader. It works better for me as a musician than I had hoped for, and the possibilities as a "tablet" with other apps are far better than expected.
The scribbling is working fantastic. Screen a little bit grayish, but you get used to it.

rogerpiano · 01-20-2018, 10:09 AM

Jayjee, you practically anticipated everything I would have written shortly ...

I add some other observations:

- I prefer to cancel with the "rubber" function rather than with the top of the stylus, because it seems to me that too much pressure is needed on the screen with the latter. For this I would like to have two primary icons: pen (with the last saved setting) and rubber (to erase with the tip of the stylus). In this way, writing and deleting does not require switching to different submenus

- I have not yet understood, when I note in a PDF, the "save" mechanism. It seems to me that you save automatically with the change of page. I would eliminate the upper band completely with the save icons and the other two arrows, by setting the automatic saving by default.

- The "Normal-A2 mode" switch in Neoreader should appear when I touch the screen in the middle of the main menu, while now we need to go to "settings" and then make a passage in more

- In the "Home" screen, I would add an icon that allows you to shut down, restart or put the Max in stand-by, to avoid having to press the physical "power" button

- You need to optimize battery life with Wi-Fi. It seems to me that it consumes too much.

- Allow the "Browser", "E-Mail" and "Play Store" apps to navigate with Bluetooth tethering. The Max connects to my Nokia 808 through the app "Blue DUN" but it seems to me that the apps are designed only for navigation via Wi-Fi. It would be interesting to check the battery consumption with the navigation through bluetooth tethering

In general I can say that I am fully satisfied with Max2. For a musician it's really the best you can ask for. The reading is excellent, the device is always fast and responsive, writing with the stylus is excellent. I do not need to install alternative apps for reading or browsing the internet because the default ones are excellent.

I do not feel like using it in live performances. I tried to use it both at the piano and directing an orchestra and the page change happens, let's say, at 95% of the touches. In the other 5% it may not turn or sometimes the menu appears. Maybe the page change is affected by the fingers too hot or dry (when I'm at the piano) or touches too fast when you are in tension and do not calibrate the touch well.

Jayjee · 01-20-2018, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogerpiano

I tried to use it both at the piano and directing an orchestra and the page change happens, let's say, at 95% of the touches. In the other 5% it may not turn or sometimes the menu appears. Maybe the page change is affected by the fingers too hot or dry (when I'm at the piano) or touches too fast when you are in tension and do not calibrate the touch well.

Amen.

fgdas · 01-20-2018, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogerpiano

In general I can say that I am fully satisfied with Max2. For a musician it's really the best you can ask for.

I do not feel like using it in live performances. I tried to use it both at the piano and directing an orchestra and the page change happens, let's say, at 95% of the touches. In the other 5% it may not turn or sometimes the menu appears.

That's a serious contradiction for a musician.

Would dedicated app like MobileSheets with "performance" mode enabled (which disables all the menu interactions and annotations) help?

Anybody using MobileSheets with Bluetooth page turner? Does the page turning work reliably (100%)?

rogerpiano · 01-20-2018, 12:54 PM

For the moment the use I am making of Max2, as a musician, is mainly:

1) Mobile library (over the years I have created an ordered music archive) to use when I teach (I do not have to bring any books to school) and when I'm away from home and I find a piano on which I can study

2) Archive of school documents (allows me not to print a lot of paper)

3) Internet (reading of newspapers and forums, no video and multimedia)

4) Obviously reading of non-musical texts.

For live performances I do not think I trust any electronic device due to its intrinsic unpredictability, however reliable it may be.
Then there are different types of performances: in a few days I will direct an orchestra of students and I will use the Max2 (first time ...), but I could also direct the song by heart ...
If I had to play the piano, I do not think I would use it (usually the soloists play by heart, but in the chamber groups the score is used).

I will try, however, other specific apps and maybe change my mind.

01-14-2018, 11:29 AM	#152
plusz Addict Posts: 384 Karma: 50008 Join Date: Feb 2017 Device: 13.3" Boox Max2, 7" Kobo H2O	Neo reader update for older Max devices? I must admit that the side note feature in Neo reader on the newest Max 2 is very nice. When could we expect the app update on older Max devices? There's no special requirements for that, older spec devices would handle it as well. Not to mention that the idea came from older Max devices users. I just wonder how good Onyx support is long term.

01-14-2018, 02:55 PM	#155
mdp Wizard Posts: 1,481 Karma: 9010563 Join Date: Jul 2013 Device: none	Ok - now a pretty serious problem started. The device is getting "ghost" input. It is taking input on its own, like in `monkey`. And it does not respond to input - it is already busy with the virtual input it gets. I was checking again the pages from "Il barbiere di Siviglia" from roger, and I cannot control the device... I tap on screen, no effect; I click on "Next", it goes back again... Anybody experienced that? EDIT: it stopped. Although, it had me scared. I saw a similar thing with the MaxCarta, like always auto tapping not far from the hardware "back" button. Last edited by mdp; 01-14-2018 at 03:02 PM.

01-15-2018, 11:57 AM	#158
filmo Wizard Posts: 1,326 Karma: 1077205 Join Date: Jun 2011 Device: Kobo Touch, Sony T1, Kobo Mini	Eliminate camera light reflection image in picture. Easy turn off light mounted close to camera lens. Should be enough light in well lighted room to take steady picture. Light illuminating screen should be to side of camera lens at 45 degree angle so bright light source image is reflection away from lens and providing good even lighting of screen. https://www.amazon.com/Albinar-x15-7...ds=copy+stands

01-20-2018, 07:24 AM	#161
Jayjee Connoisseur Posts: 69 Karma: 32278 Join Date: May 2016 Device: Onyx Boox Max 2	Resumé/list of wishes and issues with the device After some weeks of use of the device, here a short resumé of my wishes / issues: (in the beginning, my complete subjective rating from 0 (irrelevant for me) to 10 (really important to me)) (8) temporarily disabling capacity screen / finger touch, preferably with a toggle like for the screen mode in the notification bar - in other apps, e.g. the sheetmusic app, otherwise finger touch counts as drawing (9) shortcut to screen refresh (long press of menu button, tapping the clock) should work also in A2 mode - it is where ghosting is most relevant - or am I missing something? (8) long press on back button could trigger turn to home screen - that would be a simple and easy shortcut (2) the rotation app that is supposed to start with powerup is not starting and needs to be started manually (7) google play: both the InAppPurchases and the Contacts do not work - a pity, e.g. when you want to write emails (2) Browser - when I set "most visited pages" as the default new tab location, I get "Connection problem net::ERR_ACCESS_DENIED" (9) Neoreader - display dual page display in landscape rotation - that is the only reason I am not using the stock app for my sheet music - I love the easiness of annotating in the app, but I need to be able to have two pages on display at the same time (7) Neoreader: when annotating, you can't write in the top area of the pdf because it is covered by a menu bar (undo, save, redo etc) - either make possible to slide the bar up or to the side, or make the pdf fit the screen below the bar - I need that area to annotate scores very frequently and can't access it (5) Neoreader: annotation drawn with Pen is also visible on the next page, when I turn to it. Opening and closing the pdf resolves that issue, then the annotation only appears on the correct page This is NOT a ghosting issue, for the first it is equally clear on both pages, and a screen refresh does not resolve it. (6) Notes app: I would like to have the notification bar visible in the app to have easy access to its features - e.g. recent apps, (8) Notes app sometimes hangs for between several seconds up to almost half a minute - I have not been able to establish what triggers that - the screen gets completely unresponsive, and after the timeout, everything works again (including the penstrokes that where done during "time out") (5) Notes app: possibility for batch renaming and moving notes - right now, you have to do it one by one (3) reflection - sometimes it is irritating, though tilting the device almost always helps. (5) I would love USB OTG - both for USB mass storage and USB keyboards (2) Power button location - the rotation app is good enough a workaround for me These things set aside, I am really happy about the reader. It works better for me as a musician than I had hoped for, and the possibilities as a "tablet" with other apps are far better than expected. The scribbling is working fantastic. Screen a little bit grayish, but you get used to it.

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01-18-2018, 04:31 PM	#159
alcedo Enthusiast Posts: 40 Karma: 148 Join Date: Jan 2018 Device: bug	In "side notes" after writing something it gets hidden after the next action, no matter what (switching page, pressing button) and it won't come back, except in toc menu. I have the notion it is as with every action the hide function is triggered, which can be switched on and off in "scribble". Hdmi monitor function is not working for me (with Acer Aspire/Gnome3), there is not signal in mirror mode or if built-in screen is switched off, and as secondary monitor it's not really helpful, unstable and unpredictive.

01-19-2018, 11:18 PM	#160
zync100 Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2018 Device: Kindle dx, kindle paperwhite	I have a question but not an issue to ask. When I annotate a pdf file, can I also rest my palm on the screen or would that cause some problem since it is touch screen?

01-20-2018, 10:09 AM	#162
rogerpiano Connoisseur Posts: 59 Karma: 12 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Italy Device: Sony PRS 650, Onyx Boox M92, Onyx Boox Max2	Jayjee, you practically anticipated everything I would have written shortly ... I add some other observations: - I prefer to cancel with the "rubber" function rather than with the top of the stylus, because it seems to me that too much pressure is needed on the screen with the latter. For this I would like to have two primary icons: pen (with the last saved setting) and rubber (to erase with the tip of the stylus). In this way, writing and deleting does not require switching to different submenus - I have not yet understood, when I note in a PDF, the "save" mechanism. It seems to me that you save automatically with the change of page. I would eliminate the upper band completely with the save icons and the other two arrows, by setting the automatic saving by default. - The "Normal-A2 mode" switch in Neoreader should appear when I touch the screen in the middle of the main menu, while now we need to go to "settings" and then make a passage in more - In the "Home" screen, I would add an icon that allows you to shut down, restart or put the Max in stand-by, to avoid having to press the physical "power" button - You need to optimize battery life with Wi-Fi. It seems to me that it consumes too much. - Allow the "Browser", "E-Mail" and "Play Store" apps to navigate with Bluetooth tethering. The Max connects to my Nokia 808 through the app "Blue DUN" but it seems to me that the apps are designed only for navigation via Wi-Fi. It would be interesting to check the battery consumption with the navigation through bluetooth tethering In general I can say that I am fully satisfied with Max2. For a musician it's really the best you can ask for. The reading is excellent, the device is always fast and responsive, writing with the stylus is excellent. I do not need to install alternative apps for reading or browsing the internet because the default ones are excellent. I do not feel like using it in live performances. I tried to use it both at the piano and directing an orchestra and the page change happens, let's say, at 95% of the touches. In the other 5% it may not turn or sometimes the menu appears. Maybe the page change is affected by the fingers too hot or dry (when I'm at the piano) or touches too fast when you are in tension and do not calibrate the touch well.

01-20-2018, 12:54 PM	#165
rogerpiano Connoisseur Posts: 59 Karma: 12 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Italy Device: Sony PRS 650, Onyx Boox M92, Onyx Boox Max2	For the moment the use I am making of Max2, as a musician, is mainly: 1) Mobile library (over the years I have created an ordered music archive) to use when I teach (I do not have to bring any books to school) and when I'm away from home and I find a piano on which I can study 2) Archive of school documents (allows me not to print a lot of paper) 3) Internet (reading of newspapers and forums, no video and multimedia) 4) Obviously reading of non-musical texts. For live performances I do not think I trust any electronic device due to its intrinsic unpredictability, however reliable it may be. Then there are different types of performances: in a few days I will direct an orchestra of students and I will use the Max2 (first time ...), but I could also direct the song by heart ... If I had to play the piano, I do not think I would use it (usually the soloists play by heart, but in the chamber groups the score is used). I will try, however, other specific apps and maybe change my mind.

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