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[osnova]

sirmaru,

Yes, all Bibles from me (osnova) include DVJ (with the exception of TTS-friendly KJV; however, there are 2 KJVs that do include DVJ). The NET Bible also has DVJ (the $4.99 one, not the $0.99 one).

I have bought Sony PRS-600 to see if I can make DVJ-based Bibles for it. It seems that using the touchscreen keyboard could be possible, but awkward and not fast enough. The non-touchscreen versions would not be able to use DVJ at all. So, at the end, I decided that readers without a dedicated keyboard would not benefit much from DVJ.

By the way, I am chagrined at how poor the search implementation for the Kindle on iPad is. It works differently from the actual Kindle and is way too slow. DVJ on iPad is not usable.

I did not hear back from Zondervan the first time. Maybe I'll send them another request. It seems that I am not worth their notice. But I am with you, DVJ would benefit NIV a lot. Actually, I have both NIV and NASB and would love to incorporate DVJ in them.

[sirmaru]

Osnova,

How about posting the proper Zondervan email address here for your fans to chime in to support your request?

I'm awaiting my Kindle LG 3 WiFi to be delivered in a couple of weeks. In preparation I've added to my Wish List your following books:

1. WordNet 3
2. KJV (paragraphed) with DVJ
3. NET ($ 4.99 one) with DVJ
4. ASV with DVJ
5. WEB with DVJ

I've also added the Easton Bble Dictionary. I'm not sure if you had something to do with that one or not.

I still prefer the NIV but will just forget it unless they allow you to prepare a DVJ version. The one I have for my Sony PRS 900 is USELESS. Thus, I was forced to buy a NowBible - dramatized NIV - which also has a form of DVJ. Did you help them develop their form of DVJ as well? I also own a Franklin BIB with KJV and NIV with a form of DVJ as well. However, that device keeps losing its settings making it useless in Church.

I also own the Logos Bibles and Reference books for my PC but have not chosen to use them anymore since I would need a laptop to use them. That is NOT convenient in Church. Thus, I uninstalled them from my PC. It was 6 Gb.

[osnova]

Hmm. Yesterday, I responded but can't see my post. Basically, I've been communicating with Caryn L. Toering, Director of International Rights and Permissions, ZONDERVAN. Her email is on their website (I don't want to post it here without permission).

[isotherm]

Have you asked Crossway Publishers (ESV)? They seem to be more permissive (they give their translation for use in the Sword Project, for example). NKJV could also be nice, but it takes them longer to reply to inquiries in my experience.

[nimblem]

I am really wanting to try out the Apologetics Bible on the kindle but I am fearful that I wont like it, since I am not sure it has chapter jumps. Has anyone tried it out yet? I like the Apologetics Bible because I enjoy the articles for explanation through out my hard copy of it.

[osnova]

Originally Posted by isotherm

Have you asked Crossway Publishers (ESV)? They seem to be more permissive (they give their translation for use in the Sword Project, for example). NKJV could also be nice, but it takes them longer to reply to inquiries in my experience.

I'll try. Thanks.

Originally Posted by nimblem

I am really wanting to try out the Apologetics Bible on the kindle but I am fearful that I wont like it, since I am not sure it has chapter jumps. Has anyone tried it out yet? I like the Apologetics Bible because I enjoy the articles for explanation through out my hard copy of it.

Haven't tried it myself but I doubt they have something similar to my DVJ. You can try a sample and see if it works on Genesis.

[osnova]

I want to ask for advice on how to react to this.

A gentleman (apparently from Brazil) has published on Amazon a KJV (and ASV) with ... "Direct Verse Access." Compare it to my "Direct Verse Jump." The description of how it works appears to be taken from my product description page. It uses the same book abbreviations and may be a direct copy or derivative of my edition. He undercuts my sales price. His sales are closing in on mine.

I do not try to monopolize the Bible and welcome efforts of others to make it more available and easier to use, but in this case it seems he just has taken my work and passes it off as his own. The text is public domain and there are lots of alternative KJV and ASV editions for the Kindle but I spent many months to come up with a better edition and better navigation system.

I don't know...

[sirmaru]

I received my Kindle 3 and immediately purchased your DVJ Bibles: NET and KJV. They work great.

Since the Kindle 3 is small enough to fit inside a Ziploc bag and then into my suit jacket inside pocket, your DVJ Bibles now can be carried anywhere.

If you ever get the NIV annotated, I'll buy that one as well. Zondervan is losing out by not letting you do this.

Caryn Touring's email address is not directly on their site, at least I don't see it. They have a general form for sending email to them but I already tried that awhile ago and never got a response.

[cvkemp]

I would say that I would look into it. It is just not fair that you should put in your time just to have some one basically take it from you.

[osnova]

sirmaru,

It's on this page: http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en...anslations.htm

[Davimee]

I wrote to Zondervan several months ago, as well (January of this year). The first time I wrote was to ask if their NIV would be easy to navigate on a device without a touch screen, such as a Sony. I received a response from Melissa Liszewski stating that I would have to ask the manufacturer of the ebook reader, but that it should work fine as long as I got the epub version. When I bought my Pocket Pro I also bought Zondervan's NIV, and was disappointed to find it was terrible for Navigating. It really wasn't easy at all to select which book I wanted to go to. I wrote back and told them I was disappointed in how they set up the epub version of the book, and that it locked up my device each time I used it. I asked if I could have permission to break the DRM and reformat it for my own use. I figured the answer would be no, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask. Unfortunately, they never even responded to that request. I sent that one mid-March. Needless to say, I have not been very impressed with Zondervan's customer service.

[jgumphress]

Originally Posted by osnova

Holy Bible – King James Version – KJV (Direct Verse Jump, best navigation, searchable) by God-inspired

A short story:

You can purchase the most useful electronic Bible currently available for the Kindle at http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002TG4P8Q.

The easy way to find it on your Kindle is to search for the word "osnova" in the Kindle store.

Please do not use the sample generated automatically by Amazon (it cripples most of the features of the book). If you need a sample download it right here. To learn how to use all of the features, please read the text below.

A quick note: at this time, I do not guarantee that all features will work on Kindle 1 because I do not have access to it.

A longer tale:

After looking at almost all versions of the Bible available for the Kindle, I was not satisfied with any of them. I am not just a casual reader of the Bible (when you pick up reading right where you left off the previous time). I need to be able to turn to a specific verse anywhere in the Bible at a moment's notice while studying a specific passage, reading a theological book or listening to a sermon. As a result, even the versions with the hyperlinked tables of contents were not sufficient for me. I have come up with the Direct Verse Jump technique, which allows you in a couple of clicks’ worth of seconds to open any verse in the Bible.

Moreover, almost all versions that I could find do not preserve the formatting and delete some of the text that I find in my paper copy of the Bible (for example, italics, small caps for "LORD", the headings of many Psalms, or the Hebrew letter names in Psalm 119, KJV notes at the end of some of the Paul's epistles). So, I have decided to make another Kindle version of the Authorized Version to correct all of these issues. It has been a long haul, but now I am ready to share this version with you.

Features of this Kindle KJV Bible, which has the same text as your paper copy:

• Direct Verse Jump, a revolutionary new method to open the exact verse you need in seconds (see more information below)
• two other ways to navigate between books and chapters: (i) using a hyperlinked table of contents; and (ii) pressing the joystick right or left to move between books of the Bible. Once you learn all of the three navigation methods (in addition to the typical page-flipping), you will be able to open any verse in your Kindle Bible as fast as (or even faster than) in your paper copy.
• correctly formatted (i.e., preserving the formatting of the original KJV – italics, small caps in LORD, etc.)
• includes original KJV translators’ notes (your paper copy may have omitted them; all you need is to click on the hyperlinked dagger and when finished with the note to press “Back”)
• original text, notes, book titles carefully preserved (e.g., see the notes at the end of the Paul's epistles, which are found in the original KJV or titles of the psalms)
• it is easy to determine where you are in the Bible (each chapter gives you the name of the book)
• Jesus’ words are in bold
• as any Kindle book, the KJV Bible is searchable; however, when you first install the file please wait for the Kindle to index the whole Bible! The file is large and it takes a long time to index. For this reason, the DVJ navigation method will be available only after the book has been indexed.

Direct Verse Jump, a new navigation method using the search functionality:
In this version, all you need to do is type an abbreviated book name, then a period, then a chapter number, a period again, and then a verse number and press the “find” twice. That’s it! You do not need to wait for the Kindle to display the search results. You will be looking at that particular verse in seconds. If you just need to open the first verse of any chapter then the verse number is not necessary. Do not forget periods and use only the abbreviations that are listed below.

For example, if you wish to select chapter 3 of Genesis, you would:

1. type the standard abbreviation for Genesis (see below), then period, and finally number "3"; in other words: ge.3
2. click “find” twice and you are there.

For John 3:16, you type jn.3.16 and double click “find”.

Note that you should put the chapter number even for books that have only one chapter. For example, Epistle of Jude verse 5 would translate to jud.1.5 and a double click on “find.”

Suggestions for improvement are welcome.

Book name abbreviations are now listed in the table of contents

Thanks for the tips. I am brand new to Kindle and just got the DX two days ago. My only purchase so far is this very Bible version. I had not figured out how it would jump right to a verse until I read your post. Now if I can only figure out how to remember the book abreviations so I can follow along in Church with the Pastor. Before Kindle I have been using my Motorola Droid, before that was a Palm TX. The Palm was great except for having to use a stylus.

[WT Sharpe]

Originally Posted by osnova

I want to ask for advice on how to react to this.

A gentleman (apparently from Brazil) has published on Amazon a KJV (and ASV) with ... "Direct Verse Access." Compare it to my "Direct Verse Jump." The description of how it works appears to be taken from my product description page. It uses the same book abbreviations and may be a direct copy or derivative of my edition. He undercuts my sales price. His sales are closing in on mine.

I do not try to monopolize the Bible and welcome efforts of others to make it more available and easier to use, but in this case it seems he just has taken my work and passes it off as his own. The text is public domain and there are lots of alternative KJV and ASV editions for the Kindle but I spent many months to come up with a better edition and better navigation system.

I don't know...

Check with a lawyer. The workman is worthy of his hire. Thieves are not.

I just submitted the following review at http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...r_mts_prod_img. It should show up within a couple of days, unless it is censored by Amazon:

Title: Things that make you go Hmmmm...

Body text: This product sounds suspiciously similar to the older King James Bible (KJV) (best navigation with Direct Verse Jump; paragraphed) [Kindle Edition] by God-inspired.

http://www.amazon.com/James-navigati...3289682&sr=1-1

1 star for possible plagiarism.

[sirmaru]

Originally Posted by osnova

sirmaru,

It's on this page: http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en...anslations.htm

I sent the following message to that email address from Outlook 2010 on my PC. One must be careful NOT to click that link on the Zondervan page since, when I tried, I received a warning it would allow Outlook to access without Protective Mode and could cause damage.

This is what I sent:

"Dear Ms. Toering,

Please approve Osnova’s application to insert his Direct Verse Jump (DVJ) into the Amazon.com version of the New International Version. Without that change the NIV is worthless for rapid location of verses in Church.

Right now I use Osnova’s application inside the KJV and NET Bibles and it is great. If you allow him to make that change, I’d definitely buy the NIV from Amazon.

In Christ’s Name."

If anyone else wants to just copy my message and send to that email address, feel free to do so.

By the way, the double click on "Find" with the Kindle LG WiFi 3 is not necessary anymore. Just click the 5-way button and you are there after typing, for example, jn.3.16.

I prefer the NIV over all versions since its the main one used in Church. However, without DVJ I'll do without it.

[isotherm]

Originally Posted by sirmaru

By the way, the double click on "Find" with the Kindle LG WiFi 3 is not necessary anymore. Just click the 5-way button and you are there after typing, for example, jn.3.16.

How are you dealing with the lack of numeric keys on Kindle 3? Do you just hold down ALT and type the numbers after you are finished entering the book abbreviation? Have you somehow marked which number keys are which, or do you just remember?