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ihab7000 · 11-18-2010, 09:57 PM

Can I create the DVJ

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Dear Osnova,
Actually I have downloaded the sample you have attached.And I am enjoying reading it now.I do not know if you may give me the rest of the Bible because,it is really better than the ones that I have they lack that organization and the unity of the fornt and which is most important the DVJ.

So,If I have the adobe professional and the mobireader can I make the DVJ myself(instead of asking you to lend me the rest of your Bible)
If so what fonts and size(of the fonts and the pages on the adobe) shall I render to reach the same wonderful results of the bible you have attached
Thx in advance

osnova · 11-20-2010, 06:56 PM

ihab7000, I am glad you like OSNOVA publications. Why would you not purchase one of the available publications (see the blog link in the signature below)? Or make a suggestion what you would like to see as the next OSNOVA publication.

It sounds that you do not have the necessary skills to undertake such a project on your own (you mention Adobe Acrobat, which is not a tool needed for creating Amazon books). This is not to offend you, it's just an observation to save you lots of frustration. Just so you know, I use a plain text editor (not a word processor) and regular expressions to digitize, proofread and code OSNOVA publications and sometimes Ruby scripts.

sirmaru · 11-21-2010, 08:45 AM

I saw that Amazon is now selling the newest version of the Zondervan NIV for $ 19.99 without Direct Verse Jump by Osnova.

There are quite a few one or two star ratings now complaining about how hard it is to find a verse.

I would have purchased it with DVJ but just ignored it due to all those complaints.

osnova · 11-21-2010, 01:06 PM

They (Zondervan) have a standing offer from me to help them with the Kindle conversion. I ping them from time to time but so far they have shown no interest.

By the way, I have just submitted for publication the KJV New Testament with Strong’s markup, Greek dictionary and more. This is for those who want to dive deeper into the study of individual words of the Scriptures.

Also, just published is the Kindle Catholic English-Latin Diglot Bible (D-R and Vulgate with Direct Verse Jump). This is the first parallel Bible from OSNOVA.

Please let me know what other translations you would like to see in parallel (the copyrighted ones are going to be hard if not impossible to do).

Details are on my blog.

Padfoot · 11-23-2010, 03:40 AM

So after much lurking, this is the post to finally bring me out of my cave. Since it appears the NIV might be a lost cause--I read through almost the whole thread, so sorry if I missed this--

Is there a possibility of a NLT translation with DVJ/has the copyright holder been contacted? I love my Kindle and my brother and I just got one for my mom, but we're having a horrible time of it finding a Bible worth paying for on the Kindle. I told her about the DVJ available on some, but both of us prefer the NIV and the NLT over what's available so far.

rogercwang · 11-24-2010, 12:56 PM

Do you have any plan to release Old Testament with Strong's markup, Hebrew&Chaldee dictionary in the future?

BTW, I enjoy your Unabridged Matthew Henry book. I already have the concise version, but the unabridged one is really what I need. It helps me more understand the thinking process of the author.

Quote:

Originally Posted by osnova

By the way, I have just submitted for publication the KJV New Testament with Strong’s markup, Greek dictionary and more. This is for those who want to dive deeper into the study of individual words of the Scriptures.

osnova · 11-24-2010, 01:05 PM

Padfoot,

Welcome to the light (from your "cave" that is)

No, I haven't approached Tyndale House about NLT. Do you know whom I should contact there by any chance?

In the meantime, if you are an NIV/NLT kind of guy, try the NET Bible. Here is what Bible translation experts said about the NET Bible.

Rick Mansfield posted a detailed review of the NET Bible at http://thislamp.com/?p=98.

The NET Bible made the third place on his revised Top Ten list (http://thislamp.com/?p=990), right after NLT at the second spot, and he had the following to say:

“As I said in my long-delayed review, “I recommend the NET Bible – especially the standard edition with 60,932 notes–to all believers.” Hands down, the complete NET Bible has the best set of notes I’ve ever seen in any study Bible. The translation, while still having a few rough places, is solid, too. Ultimately, this is simply a translation of the Bible in need of better exposure.”

osnova · 11-24-2010, 02:06 PM

rogercwang, thanks for your interest in my work.

1. I've been mulling over the OT with Strong's; however, the obstacle is that the Kindle does not support Hebrew or any RTL languages for that matter. I had an idea of using images instead of Hebrew font letters. If properly done, you can't even notice that those are not real letters. Getting this idea to work is not as easy. I do not want to release a sub-par Bible publication. So, if it ever happens it won't be soon.

2. I agree. I was also not satisfied with the concise Matthew's Commentary, the text itself and the implementation.

osnova · 11-24-2010, 02:25 PM

A while back we discussed here another Bible that used the dictionary indexing to allow opening any verse. While that method did not appeal to me because of its drawbacks, there were people who liked that method. I have found a way to combine my DVJ and that dictionary method and avoid the drawbacks. If you have an OSNOVA Bible and would like this new combined method send a note telling me which translation you would like me to work on.

osnova · 12-04-2010, 01:48 PM

I am confident that serious students of the Bible (or those who want to become such) will be delighted with this new publication coming to the Kindle, which will link several books by this author into one cross-linked study Bible. Until then, below are some of the quotes from this man of God:

The Bible is much read, but comparatively little studied.

We cannot all be profound students of nature; we can all be profound students of Scripture.

A person who understands the language of the Holy Spirit, but who does not understand a word of Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic, will get more out of the Bible, than one, who knows all about Greek and Hebrew and cognate languages, but is not born again, and, consequently, does not understand the language of the Holy Spirit.

One of the greatest follies of the day, is to set unregenerate men to teaching the Bible, because of their rare knowledge of the human forms of speech in which the book was written. It would be as reasonable to set a man to teach art because he had an accurate technical knowledge of paints.

It should be distinctly understood, that, while there are teachings in the Bible that the natural man can understand, and beauties which he can see, its most distinctive and characteristic teachings are beyond his grasp, and its highest beauties belong to a world in which he has no vision. The first fundamental condition of the most profitable Bible study, is, then, “Ye must be born again.” You cannot study the Bible to the greatest profit if you have not been born again. Its best treasures are sealed to you.

Many come to the table God has spread in His word with no appetite for spiritual food, and go mincing here and there and grumbling about everything. Spiritual indigestion lies at the bottom of much modern criticism of the Bible.

The reason why many get so little out of their Bible reading is simply because they are not willing to think. Intellectual laziness lies at the bottom of a large percent of fruitless Bible reading.

One pound of beef well chewed and digested and assimilated, will give more strength than tons of beef merely glanced at; and one verse of scripture chewed and digested and assimilated, will give more strength than whole chapters simply skimmed. Weigh every word you read in the Bible. Look at it. Turn it over and over. The most familiar passages get a new meaning in this way.

Do not come to the Bible full of your own ideas, and seeking from it a confirmation of them. Come rather to find out what are God’s ideas as He has revealed them there. Come not to find a confirmation of your own opinion, but to be taught what God may be pleased to teach.

Few keys open so many caskets that contain hidden treasure as prayer. Few clues unravel so many difficulties. Few microscopes will disclose so many beauties hidden from the eye of the ordinary observer. What new light often shines from an old familiar text as you bend over it in prayer!

speedlever · 12-05-2010, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osnova

I am confident that serious students of the Bible (or those who want to become such) will be delighted with this new publication coming to the Kindle, which will link several books by this author into one cross-linked study Bible. Until then, below are some of the quotes from this man of God:

snip list

What new publication?

Also, I've read this thread and commend you for your tireless efforts to bring the Bible to the Kindle. I also have to say that I'm pretty disappointed by Zondervan's lack of response to your offer of including DVJ in some of their translations.

When I get my K3 (in a few weeks), I would like to get some of your work.

But after reading this thread, I am confused as to what options you have in the way of searches. I'll have to look at the descriptions on Amazon.com again, but from reading here, it seems you offer several options and, never having used an EBR before, I wouldn't have a preference until I jump in and test the waters. Do you have a suggestion?

sirmaru · 12-05-2010, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedlever

What new publication?

I am also interested in this new Amazon Kindle publication to link a lot of Bible referneces into one Bible Study.

What is it called? When will it be available?

So far I am using the non-Osnova books: The One Year Bible (NLT) and Easton's Bible Dictionary.

The Osnova books I use are: NET Bible, Unabridged Matthew Henry, Kindle KJV Bible, Bible Encyclopedia (ISBE).

The ones I use daily are The One Year Bible and the Bible Encyclopedia.

The one I really need and is not yet available is the NIV. That is the one used in Church and most often by TV preachers.

I would like this "new publication" to link as many of those resources as possible into a rational, daily Bible Study.

osnova · 12-06-2010, 12:00 AM

Thank you, speedlever.

At this time, I can tell you this new publication will include the KJV Bible interlinked with a very useful resource for the Bible Study (sorry, sirmaru, I think it will not meet all your requirements but I will certainly keep your suggestions in mind for the future). It will also contain the book How to Study the Bible for Greatest Profit by R.A. Torrey. This book shows several very practical methods of studying the Bible as well as challenges the reader to have the right heart when reading God's word. It's great.

osnova · 12-06-2010, 12:13 AM

As I indicated earlier, I am rolling out another navigation method. I'm calling it DVJ-2 because it also allows jumping directly to any verse in the Bible using a different technique from the current DVJ.

The great news is that it is in addition to the existing navigation methods, so you will not lose anything by upgrading. As always, the customers receive upgrades for free. Just send me an email to osnova@gmail.com indicating which Bible version you want to upgrade.

If you have previously sent me the proof-of-purchase copy of the Osnova Bible, then you need not send it again, if not, then please attach the file that you bought your email.

If you know DVJ, then DVJ-2 is a piece of cake. While reading your OSNOVA Bible, press Menu, then press Index and type the typical DVJ abbreviation for the passage you want but instead of periods use spaces.

===

I've received a request for a different style of the table of contents (specifically, the main toc shows only hyperlinked books that lead to sub-tocs which list hyperlinked chapters). This style was included in the prototype OSNOVA Bibles but finally I decided against it.

However, if you would prefer such a toc to the one currently in your OSNOVA Bible, send me an email.

sirmaru · 12-22-2010, 09:40 AM

I noticed that trying to find Rev.13.18 both for the KJV and NET results in a strange outcome. The connections turn up in the results section by typing in the Home screen either rev1318 or rev.13.18 but they cannot connect to the actual verses.

That passage is the one referreing to the Mark of the Beast = 666.

I've never noticed that outcome with any other verses. Is the lack of connection to the actual verses intentional?

11-20-2010, 06:56 PM	#182
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	ihab7000, I am glad you like OSNOVA publications. Why would you not purchase one of the available publications (see the blog link in the signature below)? Or make a suggestion what you would like to see as the next OSNOVA publication. It sounds that you do not have the necessary skills to undertake such a project on your own (you mention Adobe Acrobat, which is not a tool needed for creating Amazon books). This is not to offend you, it's just an observation to save you lots of frustration. Just so you know, I use a plain text editor (not a word processor) and regular expressions to digitize, proofread and code OSNOVA publications and sometimes Ruby scripts. Last edited by osnova; 11-20-2010 at 07:04 PM.

11-21-2010, 08:45 AM	#183
sirmaru Wizard Posts: 2,426 Karma: 6561538 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: Kindle PW 2013, HDX 2013, Galaxy S5 2014	New NIV FAILS due to lack of DVJ I saw that Amazon is now selling the newest version of the Zondervan NIV for $ 19.99 without Direct Verse Jump by Osnova. There are quite a few one or two star ratings now complaining about how hard it is to find a verse. I would have purchased it with DVJ but just ignored it due to all those complaints.

11-21-2010, 01:06 PM	#184
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	They (Zondervan) have a standing offer from me to help them with the Kindle conversion. I ping them from time to time but so far they have shown no interest. By the way, I have just submitted for publication the KJV New Testament with Strong’s markup, Greek dictionary and more. This is for those who want to dive deeper into the study of individual words of the Scriptures. Also, just published is the Kindle Catholic English-Latin Diglot Bible (D-R and Vulgate with Direct Verse Jump). This is the first parallel Bible from OSNOVA. Please let me know what other translations you would like to see in parallel (the copyrighted ones are going to be hard if not impossible to do). Details are on my blog. Last edited by osnova; 11-21-2010 at 01:15 PM.

11-24-2010, 01:05 PM	#187
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	Padfoot, Welcome to the light (from your "cave" that is) No, I haven't approached Tyndale House about NLT. Do you know whom I should contact there by any chance? In the meantime, if you are an NIV/NLT kind of guy, try the NET Bible. Here is what Bible translation experts said about the NET Bible. Rick Mansfield posted a detailed review of the NET Bible at http://thislamp.com/?p=98. The NET Bible made the third place on his revised Top Ten list (http://thislamp.com/?p=990), right after NLT at the second spot, and he had the following to say: “As I said in my long-delayed review, “I recommend the NET Bible – especially the standard edition with 60,932 notes–to all believers.” Hands down, the complete NET Bible has the best set of notes I’ve ever seen in any study Bible. The translation, while still having a few rough places, is solid, too. Ultimately, this is simply a translation of the Bible in need of better exposure.” Last edited by osnova; 11-24-2010 at 01:07 PM.

12-04-2010, 01:48 PM	#190
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	I am confident that serious students of the Bible (or those who want to become such) will be delighted with this new publication coming to the Kindle, which will link several books by this author into one cross-linked study Bible. Until then, below are some of the quotes from this man of God: The Bible is much read, but comparatively little studied. We cannot all be profound students of nature; we can all be profound students of Scripture. A person who understands the language of the Holy Spirit, but who does not understand a word of Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic, will get more out of the Bible, than one, who knows all about Greek and Hebrew and cognate languages, but is not born again, and, consequently, does not understand the language of the Holy Spirit. One of the greatest follies of the day, is to set unregenerate men to teaching the Bible, because of their rare knowledge of the human forms of speech in which the book was written. It would be as reasonable to set a man to teach art because he had an accurate technical knowledge of paints. It should be distinctly understood, that, while there are teachings in the Bible that the natural man can understand, and beauties which he can see, its most distinctive and characteristic teachings are beyond his grasp, and its highest beauties belong to a world in which he has no vision. The first fundamental condition of the most profitable Bible study, is, then, “Ye must be born again.” You cannot study the Bible to the greatest profit if you have not been born again. Its best treasures are sealed to you. Many come to the table God has spread in His word with no appetite for spiritual food, and go mincing here and there and grumbling about everything. Spiritual indigestion lies at the bottom of much modern criticism of the Bible. The reason why many get so little out of their Bible reading is simply because they are not willing to think. Intellectual laziness lies at the bottom of a large percent of fruitless Bible reading. One pound of beef well chewed and digested and assimilated, will give more strength than tons of beef merely glanced at; and one verse of scripture chewed and digested and assimilated, will give more strength than whole chapters simply skimmed. Weigh every word you read in the Bible. Look at it. Turn it over and over. The most familiar passages get a new meaning in this way. Do not come to the Bible full of your own ideas, and seeking from it a confirmation of them. Come rather to find out what are God’s ideas as He has revealed them there. Come not to find a confirmation of your own opinion, but to be taught what God may be pleased to teach. Few keys open so many caskets that contain hidden treasure as prayer. Few clues unravel so many difficulties. Few microscopes will disclose so many beauties hidden from the eye of the ordinary observer. What new light often shines from an old familiar text as you bend over it in prayer! Last edited by osnova; 12-04-2010 at 01:53 PM.

11-18-2010, 09:57 PM	#181
ihab7000 Member Posts: 13 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Kindle	Can I create the DVJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Osnova, Actually I have downloaded the sample you have attached.And I am enjoying reading it now.I do not know if you may give me the rest of the Bible because,it is really better than the ones that I have they lack that organization and the unity of the fornt and which is most important the DVJ. So,If I have the adobe professional and the mobireader can I make the DVJ myself(instead of asking you to lend me the rest of your Bible) If so what fonts and size(of the fonts and the pages on the adobe) shall I render to reach the same wonderful results of the bible you have attached Thx in advance

11-23-2010, 03:40 AM	#185
Padfoot Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Kindle 3	So after much lurking, this is the post to finally bring me out of my cave. Since it appears the NIV might be a lost cause--I read through almost the whole thread, so sorry if I missed this-- Is there a possibility of a NLT translation with DVJ/has the copyright holder been contacted? I love my Kindle and my brother and I just got one for my mom, but we're having a horrible time of it finding a Bible worth paying for on the Kindle. I told her about the DVJ available on some, but both of us prefer the NIV and the NLT over what's available so far.

11-24-2010, 02:06 PM	#188
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	rogercwang, thanks for your interest in my work. 1. I've been mulling over the OT with Strong's; however, the obstacle is that the Kindle does not support Hebrew or any RTL languages for that matter. I had an idea of using images instead of Hebrew font letters. If properly done, you can't even notice that those are not real letters. Getting this idea to work is not as easy. I do not want to release a sub-par Bible publication. So, if it ever happens it won't be soon. 2. I agree. I was also not satisfied with the concise Matthew's Commentary, the text itself and the implementation.

11-24-2010, 02:25 PM	#189
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	A while back we discussed here another Bible that used the dictionary indexing to allow opening any verse. While that method did not appeal to me because of its drawbacks, there were people who liked that method. I have found a way to combine my DVJ and that dictionary method and avoid the drawbacks. If you have an OSNOVA Bible and would like this new combined method send a note telling me which translation you would like me to work on.

12-06-2010, 12:00 AM	#193
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	Thank you, speedlever. At this time, I can tell you this new publication will include the KJV Bible interlinked with a very useful resource for the Bible Study (sorry, sirmaru, I think it will not meet all your requirements but I will certainly keep your suggestions in mind for the future). It will also contain the book How to Study the Bible for Greatest Profit by R.A. Torrey. This book shows several very practical methods of studying the Bible as well as challenges the reader to have the right heart when reading God's word. It's great.

12-06-2010, 12:13 AM	#194
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	As I indicated earlier, I am rolling out another navigation method. I'm calling it DVJ-2 because it also allows jumping directly to any verse in the Bible using a different technique from the current DVJ. The great news is that it is in addition to the existing navigation methods, so you will not lose anything by upgrading. As always, the customers receive upgrades for free. Just send me an email to osnova@gmail.com indicating which Bible version you want to upgrade. If you have previously sent me the proof-of-purchase copy of the Osnova Bible, then you need not send it again, if not, then please attach the file that you bought your email. If you know DVJ, then DVJ-2 is a piece of cake. While reading your OSNOVA Bible, press Menu, then press Index and type the typical DVJ abbreviation for the passage you want but instead of periods use spaces. === I've received a request for a different style of the table of contents (specifically, the main toc shows only hyperlinked books that lead to sub-tocs which list hyperlinked chapters). This style was included in the prototype OSNOVA Bibles but finally I decided against it. However, if you would prefer such a toc to the one currently in your OSNOVA Bible, send me an email. Last edited by osnova; 12-06-2010 at 12:38 AM.

12-22-2010, 09:40 AM	#195
sirmaru Wizard Posts: 2,426 Karma: 6561538 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: Kindle PW 2013, HDX 2013, Galaxy S5 2014	Rev.13.18 - strange indexing outcome I noticed that trying to find Rev.13.18 both for the KJV and NET results in a strange outcome. The connections turn up in the results section by typing in the Home screen either rev1318 or rev.13.18 but they cannot connect to the actual verses. That passage is the one referreing to the Mark of the Beast = 666. I've never noticed that outcome with any other verses. Is the lack of connection to the actual verses intentional?

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