Adobe Digital Editions 3.0 released - Page 51

speakingtohe · 06-20-2014, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Lady

Are there currently any epub readers with the new drm?

Is anyone currently selling with the new DRM? If so is it exclusive or optional? Who here has bought a book with this new DRM and how did it go?

Helen

AnemicOak · 06-20-2014, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by speakingtohe

Is anyone currently selling with the new DRM? If so is it exclusive or optional? Who here has bought a book with this new DRM and how did it go?

Helen

AFAIK the new DRM isn't "out in the wild" anywhere yet.

speakingtohe · 06-21-2014, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AnemicOak

AFAIK the new DRM isn't "out in the wild" anywhere yet.

Oh dear. I will have to hold of on the wailing and gnashing of teeth until I have been bitten.

Helen

Katsunami · 06-21-2014, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

So my guess is that it's going to be a year or so before any reseller is bold enough to flip that switch, and stop selling to all the old RMSDK9 devices.

I think it's going to be even longer; maybe never. At the time of writing, the only 'device' capable of handling this new DRM is ADE3 itself. Maybe, in some months, the latest and some of the older Kobo's may start supporting it, but for all other devices, the future seems to be unknown.

For now, I'll just keep using ADE2, because it has to receive old-style-DRM books, or it won't work. If Adobe and/or the sellers want to force the adoption of the new DRM, they'll have to prevent the use of ADE2, or they will need to support the old DRM forever.

JSWolf · 06-21-2014, 10:32 PM

I can see Adobe having to make a new server to serve both the old and new DRM based on what's used to download the ePub. U expect the outcry will be massive when people download ADE 3 and find that the ePub won't work on their Reader or app because they used ADE 3 to download and they just lost the money they paid since they can no longer read as they want.

This is so going to backfire on Adobe. Think of all the legacy devices that exist now that most likely won't ever be updated. They work fine and there's no reason to abandon them just because Adobe wants to change the DRM. I can't see the publishers wanting to piss off their customers.

frostschutz · 06-22-2014, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AnemicOak

AFAIK the new DRM isn't "out in the wild" anywhere yet.

More like not anymore. It was out in the wild, but only for a day or two. At least, some free books I downloaded for testing with ADE3, when it was fresh out, would only open in ADE3 but not in ADE2.

I had posted about it in this thread: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...&postcount=173

Outcry and backpedaling of Adobe came after that - and we have to thank Adobe for botching it. If they had gone about it differently we would be stuck with new DRM already.

Skillganon · 06-22-2014, 04:39 PM

Guys
I am a little confused, the ADE version I am using shows as 3.0, alfs plugin for calibre has no problem removing the drm. I have had this version for a few weeks, is there another version 3.0 that is out in the states, with updated drm or what

Katsunami · 06-22-2014, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Skillganon

Guys
I am a little confused, the ADE version I am using shows as 3.0, alfs plugin for calibre has no problem removing the drm. I have had this version for a few weeks, is there another version 3.0 that is out in the states, with updated drm or what

No, there is only one ADE 3.0.

Up until now you have been fortunate that the books you have bought were only available with the old DRM. This is because the seller either runs the old Adobe Content Server 4 (ACS4), or runs the new one (ACS5) set up to deliver books using the old DRM only, regardless of device or application.

As soon as the seller sets up an ACS5 server in such a way that it will deliver books using the new DRM to devices or applications that can handle it (such as ADE 3.0), then you will receive books in ADE 3.0 that Alf can not strip yet.

The safest option is to keep using ADE 2.0. By using ADE 2.0, you force the seller to give you an old-style DRM-ed book, or you won't be able to download and read it. I, and others here, are assuming that it will be a very long time before Adobe and the sellers will drop support for ADE 2, or more accurately, for devices that only use the old DRM. Obsoleting people's e-readers without a good reason would cost them many customers.

eschwartz · 06-22-2014, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Skillganon

Guys
I am a little confused, the ADE version I am using shows as 3.0, alfs plugin for calibre has no problem removing the drm. I have had this version for a few weeks, is there another version 3.0 that is out in the states, with updated drm or what

ADE3.0 can get the old DRM as well, it depends if the book has been previously validated with 2.0 as well as whether the server you buy from has been upgraded.

Your best bet is to force the server to send you books in the old DRM, by using ADE2.0 so you cannot receive books in the new DRM.

EDIT: I got ninja-posted!

Purple Lady · 06-22-2014, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Skillganon

Guys
I am a little confused, the ADE version I am using shows as 3.0, alfs plugin for calibre has no problem removing the drm. I have had this version for a few weeks, is there another version 3.0 that is out in the states, with updated drm or what

In case you didn't listen to the previous two posters - download and install 2.0 instead now! If you happen to download a book that uses the new drm in the future, you will never be able to get it in the old drm again. The first download controls what drm you get.

hwlester · 06-30-2014, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AnemicOak

Well, B&N is kinda. Their DRM is Adobe DRM just with a different key method, but I'm unsure if ACS 5 changes anything for that method (which is currently used by B&N exclusively, but isn't B&N exclusive).

I think I read that the passkey method (or whatever it's called) that B&N uses has been deprecated or removed from ADE 3.

JSWolf · 07-01-2014, 10:33 PM

For those using Bluefire Reader on iOS and/or Android, DO NOT USE IT TO DOWNLOAD ePub from the .ascm file. The iOS app has been updated with RMSDK 10 (no idwa when the Android version is going to be updated if it is not yet) and that's the version that can deliver the new DRM. Once downloaded, with Bluefire and you get the new DRM, you cannot download to the old DRM.

AnemicOak · 07-01-2014, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

For those using Bluefire Reader on iOS and/or Android, DO NOT USE IT TO DOWNLOAD ePub from the .ascm file. The iOS app has been updated with RMSDK 10 (no idwa when the Android version is going to be updated if it is not yet) and that's the version that can deliver the new DRM. Once downloaded, with Bluefire and you get the new DRM, you cannot download to the old DRM.

Just to be clear, it is capable of the new DRM. No one is serving the new DRM so far AFAIK though. Or has someone made the switch on the QT?

Kobo is still 4.0.3 AFAIK, so that leaves OmniLit, Google & eBooks.com, who else? Overdrive is 4.1.2

EDIT:
eBooks.com is 4.1.1

OmniLit/AllRomance uses Overdrive, at least the book I just checked did so they're 4.1.2

Google, as mentioned earlier, seems to have the status check secured/disabled so can't be checked.

JSWolf · 07-01-2014, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AnemicOak

Just to be clear, it is capable of the new DRM. No one is serving the new DRM so far AFAIK though. Or has someone made the switch on the QT?

Not that I know of. But chances are when the switch is made and someone uses Bluefire, they will be screwed. So it's best to start a new way to get ePub to Bluefire then to download via the .acsm file so when that time comes, you'll be fine.

Besides, it's now July and ACS 5 could be out in the wild any time this month from what was said before.

Micah · 07-02-2014, 01:30 AM

Many of the ebook distributors have already switched to ACS5 months ago. They have a setting: "use new DRM" (not compatible with RMSDK9 devices) and "Use old DRM". Some school systems with closed ecosystems might use the "new" setting but no other commercial platform could. They'd be out of business immediately. It is not something to worry about. And using a RMSDK10 based reader does not change a thing. I understand the concern, and Adobe screwed up the messaging around this at the time of release. Adobe needs to be carefully observed moving forward for sure, and believe you me I'm doing that x10000, but that chapter is closed.

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06-21-2014, 10:32 PM	#755
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,798 Karma: 146391129 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I can see Adobe having to make a new server to serve both the old and new DRM based on what's used to download the ePub. U expect the outcry will be massive when people download ADE 3 and find that the ePub won't work on their Reader or app because they used ADE 3 to download and they just lost the money they paid since they can no longer read as they want. This is so going to backfire on Adobe. Think of all the legacy devices that exist now that most likely won't ever be updated. They work fine and there's no reason to abandon them just because Adobe wants to change the DRM. I can't see the publishers wanting to piss off their customers.

06-22-2014, 04:39 PM	#757
Skillganon Connoisseur Posts: 61 Karma: 19822 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: UK Device: Sony prs 600 and T2	Guys I am a little confused, the ADE version I am using shows as 3.0, alfs plugin for calibre has no problem removing the drm. I have had this version for a few weeks, is there another version 3.0 that is out in the states, with updated drm or what

07-01-2014, 10:33 PM	#762
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,798 Karma: 146391129 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	For those using Bluefire Reader on iOS and/or Android, DO NOT USE IT TO DOWNLOAD ePub from the .ascm file. The iOS app has been updated with RMSDK 10 (no idwa when the Android version is going to be updated if it is not yet) and that's the version that can deliver the new DRM. Once downloaded, with Bluefire and you get the new DRM, you cannot download to the old DRM.

07-02-2014, 01:30 AM	#765
Micah Bluefire Reader dude Posts: 329 Karma: 1089156 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Seattle Device: Ipad	Many of the ebook distributors have already switched to ACS5 months ago. They have a setting: "use new DRM" (not compatible with RMSDK9 devices) and "Use old DRM". Some school systems with closed ecosystems might use the "new" setting but no other commercial platform could. They'd be out of business immediately. It is not something to worry about. And using a RMSDK10 based reader does not change a thing. I understand the concern, and Adobe screwed up the messaging around this at the time of release. Adobe needs to be carefully observed moving forward for sure, and believe you me I'm doing that x10000, but that chapter is closed.

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