Adobe Digital Editions 3.0 released - Page 50

JSWolf · 06-18-2014, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by eschwartz

Sources?

Kobo is still ACS server 4.0.3.

eschwartz · 06-18-2014, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Kobo is still ACS server 4.0.3.

No, really?

I was just curious where seacity1 heard this from, considering that as AnemicOak pointed out Kobo is still ACS server 4.0.3, hence confusion, hence sources are always good if someone wants to claim something/anything, especially when the standard sources disagree.

doubleshuffle · 06-18-2014, 12:57 AM

Also, I just purchased a book from Kobo, which downloaded perfectly fine using ADE 1.7.2...

JSWolf · 06-18-2014, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by doubleshuffle

Also, I just purchased a book from Kobo, which downloaded perfectly fine using ADE 1.7.2...

But that's not evidence. ACS 5 will still be able to serve to Adept style DRMed eBooks.

samhy · 06-18-2014, 05:41 AM

Yesterday, when downloading the latest firmware update for the Kobo Mini, I thought that the timing was kind of weird. What better way to make an e-reader - that hasn't seen any real update in ages - ready for the new DRM system? Why now of all times?

Not to troll or anything, it's just what I felt then. I'm glad I have it because the Mini behaves so much better now, so I'm not complaining in any way.

davidfor · 06-19-2014, 02:47 AM

Kobo have not released firmware that uses the new RMSDK. They probably will. When they do, it should fix some "popular" problems.

As to changing the server, Kobo has a problem with that. They have just taken over all these Sony customers. These people will have devices that have not been updated to support the new DRM. Taking the customers and then changing the servers so they can't use them, would be very rude. I'm pretty sure Kobo aren't planning to do that.

I forgot to comment:

From something that Kobo said on the beta list, it was always planned to update the Mini. But, I think the new devices just came first. The Glo kept being updated because it shared a lot much with Aura and Aura HD. The Touch wasn't updated for a while either.

samhy · 06-19-2014, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidfor

Kobo have not released firmware that uses the new RMSDK. They probably will. When they do, it should fix some "popular" problems.

As to changing the server, Kobo has a problem with that. They have just taken over all these Sony customers. These people will have devices that have not been updated to support the new DRM. Taking the customers and then changing the servers so they can't use them, would be very rude. I'm pretty sure Kobo aren't planning to do that.

I forgot to comment:

From something that Kobo said on the beta list, it was always planned to update the Mini. But, I think the new devices just came first. The Glo kept being updated because it shared a lot much with Aura and Aura HD. The Touch wasn't updated for a while either.

Very interesting points, thank you Davidfor.
Now I'm feeling foolish for having let the ADE 3.0 craziness get to me

BookCat · 06-19-2014, 02:02 PM

I'm afraid I haven't read the whole thread but wanted to pop in my pennyworth: this will kill epub and give more and more power to Amazon and kindles, which don't use epub.

I can see the hoards logging on and purchasing their kindles right now (well, almost).
This upcoming change to ADE was one reason among many I chose a paperwhite as my second ereader, to avoid the change in epub DRM, (have I just repeated myself there? Sorry, my thyroxine needs to be increased and I'm easily confused at the mo'. Seeing gp on monday.)

GeoffR · 06-19-2014, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BookCat

I'm afraid I haven't read the whole thread but wanted to pop in my pennyworth: this will kill epub and give more and more power to Amazon and kindles, which don't use epub.

I can see the hoards logging on and purchasing their kindles right now (well, almost).
This upcoming change to ADE was one reason among many I chose a paperwhite as my second ereader, to avoid the change in epub DRM, (have I just repeated myself there? Sorry, my thyroxine needs to be increased and I'm easily confused at the mo'. Seeing gp on monday.)

Like Amazon, Kobo and Nook also have their own DRM schemes and so are not dependent on Adobe DRM.

When you buy a DRM book from Kobo for example, you have the choice to download it with Kobo DRM or Adobe DRM. If you want to avoid Adobe DRM, you have that option.

Amazon on the other hand don't give you a choice of DRM schemes, so when Amazon changes their DRM the only way to avoid it will be to stop buying from Amazon.

AnemicOak · 06-19-2014, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoffR

Like Amazon, Kobo and Nook also have their own DRM schemes and so are not dependent on Adobe DRM.

Well, B&N is kinda. Their DRM is Adobe DRM just with a different key method, but I'm unsure if ACS 5 changes anything for that method (which is currently used by B&N exclusively, but isn't B&N exclusive).

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Originally Posted by GeoffR

When you buy a DRM book from Kobo for example, you have the choice to download it with Kobo DRM or Adobe DRM.

Sometimes. Other times you don't have an option to download anything but the Kobo kePub as it's the only format available (and of course sometimes Adobe DRM means PDF and not ePub).

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Amazon on the other hand don't give you a choice of DRM schemes, so when Amazon changes their DRM the only way to avoid it will be to stop buying from Amazon.

True, however being that all devices that support Amazon DRM are under their purview they can update them to all work with the new DRM thus making the switch seamless in the eyes of the average customer. Not the case with Adobe, Kobo or B&N all who have had their stuff available on more than in house hardware over the years.

meeera · 06-20-2014, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BookCat

I'm afraid I haven't read the whole thread but wanted to pop in my pennyworth: this will kill epub and give more and more power to Amazon and kindles, which don't use epub.

I can actually see it working the other way, at least for some. This new DRM scheme may not be broken for (weeks? months?). But a new epub reader with the new DRM will read these books just fine. They will also read Amazon books, DRM-stripped. So a person with a new epub ereader can shop wherever they want.

With a Kindle, however, they will only be able to shop with Amazon or with shops that sell DRM-free epubs/etc (or epubs with the older DRM, I suppose, if there will be such a thing).

Please excuse/correct me if I've misread any of the technicalities. Just a thought-bubble!

pdurrant · 06-20-2014, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by meeera

I can actually see it working the other way, at least for some. This new DRM scheme may not be broken for (weeks? months?). But a new epub reader with the new DRM will read these books just fine. They will also read Amazon books, DRM-stripped. So a person with a new epub ereader can shop wherever they want.

I think anyone concerned enough about DRM to know how to strip DRM from Kindle ebooks is not going to want to buy books with DRM that can't be stripped.

Purple Lady · 06-20-2014, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by meeera

I can actually see it working the other way, at least for some. This new DRM scheme may not be broken for (weeks? months?). But a new epub reader with the new DRM will read these books just fine. They will also read Amazon books, DRM-stripped. So a person with a new epub ereader can shop wherever they want.

With a Kindle, however, they will only be able to shop with Amazon or with shops that sell DRM-free epubs/etc (or epubs with the older DRM, I suppose, if there will be such a thing).

Please excuse/correct me if I've misread any of the technicalities. Just a thought-bubble!

Are there currently any epub readers with the new drm?

eschwartz · 06-20-2014, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meeera

I can actually see it working the other way, at least for some. This new DRM scheme may not be broken for (weeks? months?). But a new epub reader with the new DRM will read these books just fine. They will also read Amazon books, DRM-stripped. So a person with a new epub ereader can shop wherever they want.

With a Kindle, however, they will only be able to shop with Amazon or with shops that sell DRM-free epubs/etc (or epubs with the older DRM, I suppose, if there will be such a thing).

Please excuse/correct me if I've misread any of the technicalities. Just a thought-bubble!

Which new epub reader can use CS5 DRM?

...and by that time, it will have been cracked.

As pdurrant said, anyone who wants to remove the DRM will just not buy CS5-DRMed books. That is the whole point of wanting to remove the DRM, after all.

pdurrant · 06-20-2014, 11:28 AM

I'm not entirely certain, but from what I've been able to gather, CS5 can only be set to either deliver only the old DRM for newly authorised ebooks (to both RMSDK9 and the new RMSDK10) or to deliver only the new DRM for newly authorised ebooks (to RMSDK10 only).

It seems that this is an either/or switch, and it's not possible for CS5 to deliver new DRM to RMSDK10 and old DRM to RMSDK9 (for newly authorised ebooks).

So my guess is that it's going to be a year or so before any reseller is bold enough to flip that switch, and stop selling to all the old RMSDK9 devices.

06-19-2014, 02:47 AM	#741
davidfor Grand Sorcerer Posts: 24,905 Karma: 47303824 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Sydney, Australia Device: Kobo:Touch,Glo, AuraH2O, GloHD,AuraONE, ClaraHD, Libra H2O; tolinoepos	Kobo have not released firmware that uses the new RMSDK. They probably will. When they do, it should fix some "popular" problems. As to changing the server, Kobo has a problem with that. They have just taken over all these Sony customers. These people will have devices that have not been updated to support the new DRM. Taking the customers and then changing the servers so they can't use them, would be very rude. I'm pretty sure Kobo aren't planning to do that. I forgot to comment: From something that Kobo said on the beta list, it was always planned to update the Mini. But, I think the new devices just came first. The Glo kept being updated because it shared a lot much with Aura and Aura HD. The Touch wasn't updated for a while either. Last edited by davidfor; 06-19-2014 at 03:15 AM.

06-19-2014, 02:02 PM	#743
BookCat C L J Posts: 2,911 Karma: 21115458 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Birmingham UK Device: Sony e-reader 505, Kindle PW2, Kindle PW3, Kobo Libra2	I'm afraid I haven't read the whole thread but wanted to pop in my pennyworth: this will kill epub and give more and more power to Amazon and kindles, which don't use epub. I can see the hoards logging on and purchasing their kindles right now (well, almost). This upcoming change to ADE was one reason among many I chose a paperwhite as my second ereader, to avoid the change in epub DRM, (have I just repeated myself there? Sorry, my thyroxine needs to be increased and I'm easily confused at the mo'. Seeing gp on monday.) Last edited by BookCat; 06-19-2014 at 02:04 PM.

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