the eeeNote - it’s a serious threat to...everything - Page 11

sarah11918 · 08-06-2011, 12:42 PM

The sleep on the EEE is great. Kicks in quickly (I believe you can set the exact time), conserves power very well and starts up immediately.

As you know, the EE hibernates but even left hibernating, will be dead if you try to wake it up the next day if it hasn't been charging. Not so with the EEE. Battery life/consumption is amazing if your standard is the EE. It won't be a disappointment!

As for the screen, the EE screen has better contrast. You need to be in pretty good lighting to see the EEE screen well; it just seems more muted. The other slight issue can be if for example you have a bedside reading light. The EE only needs light, and glare is pretty much never an issue. But the EEE, I guess being an LCD, can still be subject to glare. So you need light, but also well-placed light. (Unlike the EE where glare doesn't seem to be an issue.) So when you combine the lower contrast with perhaps fiddling with the light source, reading on the EE is a better visual experience.

I don't often experience much lag even writing on the EE, but the EEE is even smoother/faster and I find the pen tools can be controlled with slightly better precision, even if your annotation options may be a bit more limited. So the actual physical writing experience, taking notes etc. is just as good on the EEE, maybe even better than the EE.

As I've written earlier, though, *using* what you've written is a bit more of a pain on the EEE if you want anything more than a graphic file uploaded to evernote. So the best use of the EEE is still, I think, as a kind of spiral bound notebook replacement. If you want to keep everything contained on that device, have all your notes in one place, have things available to read and a few games to play but mostly think of this as your scratch pad, "book of sketches/ideas", source of infinite sudoku puzzles etc. you'd be very pleased with the EEE.

I find that the EEE is my *first* choice for picking up to quickly jot something down. I have several devices on which I could do this, but battery life/wake from sleep time leave something to be desired on everything else: Nokia N810, Edge and old tablet PC. (If I had a dedicated office area where everything could be constantly plugged in, that would help. But I don't have such a space set up.) The EEE could be lying somewhere, unplugged, and it will generally still have good battery life remaining and resume quickly enough to use to jot down a phone number from a voice mail. It really is like an electronic notebook that way.

The EEE is my last choice for creating annotated PDFs for my curriculum site like the ones I posted earlier, not because of the writing experience, but because of the difficulty in turning that work back into quality pdfs, and the lack of zoom/colour options.

And you couldn't possibly be faulted for not reading my past posts in their entirety!

wodin · 08-06-2011, 04:26 PM

I've downloaded and app for my 7" Samsung Galaxy Tab Android tablet called Tabnotes (on the Android Marketplace). The app was quite inexpensive at under $3.00, but it has a demo companion that's free. The demo puts a large watermark on each page saying that it's produced by Tabnotes, so I went ahead and sprung for the three bucks.

I don't have a capacitive stylus yet, so I'm not sure how well it will perform regarding palm rejection, but just using my finger it works quite well.

The app supports multiple pen weights and colors, and has a mode to write directly on the screen as well as another mode that presents a separate box to write in that provides a little better formatting of your writing, e.g. line wrapping, and pinning lines to ruler lines on the paper. There is a choice of notebook cover styles as well as paper styles so a little creativity in style choices can go a long way towards filing different subjects.

It produces multi page notebooks in .png format, but has a feature that exports all the pages in a notebook in a .pdf file. It relies on email to send the .pdfs (I don't think the demos supports this) or single page .pngs and so far does not support either Dropbox or Evernote, but the developer seems to be very responsive, so I'd not be surprised to see these in future revisions.

The app is only a couple of months old, so the dev has not gotten everything right regarding the UI yet, but I have high hopes that this could be exactly what I need to take and organize notes from the myriad of meetings that I attend each week.

nprnncbl · 08-08-2011, 01:11 PM

Sarah- thanks for the extra info! Since for me, reading is primary and the note-taking facility is secondary, I'll be sticking with the EE for now, not the EEE. (Confusing names!)

sarah11918 · 08-09-2011, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nprnncbl

Sarah- thanks for the extra info! Since for me, reading is primary and the note-taking facility is secondary, I'll be sticking with the EE for now, not the EEE. (Confusing names!)

Now someone just needs to make an EEEE device . . . .

That sounds like a wise choice for you given your preferences. In my mind:

EEE = electronic notebook (writer that happens to read, though not as well as e-ink devices)
EE = kind of clunky e-reader, powerful e-writer, souped up by the addition of a functional tablet.

wodin · 08-11-2011, 01:22 PM

A little update on Tabnotes use with a capacitive stylus ... don't bother!

Palm rejection is pretty close to zero, and then the tab interprets the slightest touch on the screen as a multitouch gesture, and either pans or zooms the writing area. Very disconcerting! OTOH, finger input works very well.

Anybody want to buy a capacitive stylus?

sarah11918 · 08-11-2011, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wodin

Palm rejection is pretty close to zero, and then the tab interprets the slightest touch on the screen as a multitouch gesture, and either pans or zooms the writing area.

Booooo!

If I'm not going to have palm rejection and have to keep my hand off the screen anyway, then I'd rather have a resistive screen where I can at least write with a narrow-tipped stylus. My capacitive bias lives on!

wodin · 08-12-2011, 01:08 PM

Yes, I agree. Since I already had a SGT, and the app was only three bucks, the biggest loss was the $15 for the stylus.

Oh well, the search goes on.

sarah11918 · 08-17-2011, 04:35 PM

There's a US-based listing for an Eee Note on eBay today:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Asus-Eee-Note-EA...-/230659777020

Just for those of you Americans who are interested, but don't want the hassle of importing.

Hellmark · 08-18-2011, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wodin

Yes, I agree. Since I already had a SGT, and the app was only three bucks, the biggest loss was the $15 for the stylus.

Oh well, the search goes on.

Wear gloves while using the stylus?

bosun120 · 10-02-2011, 03:07 AM

Just curious, are there any e-ink writing/annotation devices currently or will be in the market? I think once e-ink becomes writable and can be displayed in color it will explode (think comic books).

frahse · 10-02-2011, 03:20 AM

Those infrared position sensors used in the on touch eReaders with e-Ink would work for a stylus as well as a finger. I don't know how accurate the position would be. I am not an expert on screen technology but I think they use the resistive screens for stylus work.

PF4Mobile · 10-02-2011, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bosun120

Just curious, are there any e-ink writing/annotation devices currently or will be in the market? I think once e-ink becomes writable and can be displayed in color it will explode (think comic books).

Onyx boox m91/92 seem to be close to that but with a lot of bugs

pholy · 10-02-2011, 03:49 PM

I haven't used it (yet) but the Sony 650 and T1 seem to have excellent annotation capabilities. I think I'll get a T1 pretty soon, so I'll try to remember to let you know.

08-06-2011, 04:26 PM	#152
wodin Illiterate Posts: 10,279 Karma: 37848716 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: The Sandwich Isles Device: Samsung Galaxy S10+, Microsoft Surface Pro	I've downloaded and app for my 7" Samsung Galaxy Tab Android tablet called Tabnotes (on the Android Marketplace). The app was quite inexpensive at under $3.00, but it has a demo companion that's free. The demo puts a large watermark on each page saying that it's produced by Tabnotes, so I went ahead and sprung for the three bucks. I don't have a capacitive stylus yet, so I'm not sure how well it will perform regarding palm rejection, but just using my finger it works quite well. The app supports multiple pen weights and colors, and has a mode to write directly on the screen as well as another mode that presents a separate box to write in that provides a little better formatting of your writing, e.g. line wrapping, and pinning lines to ruler lines on the paper. There is a choice of notebook cover styles as well as paper styles so a little creativity in style choices can go a long way towards filing different subjects. It produces multi page notebooks in .png format, but has a feature that exports all the pages in a notebook in a .pdf file. It relies on email to send the .pdfs (I don't think the demos supports this) or single page .pngs and so far does not support either Dropbox or Evernote, but the developer seems to be very responsive, so I'd not be surprised to see these in future revisions. The app is only a couple of months old, so the dev has not gotten everything right regarding the UI yet, but I have high hopes that this could be exactly what I need to take and organize notes from the myriad of meetings that I attend each week. Last edited by wodin; 08-06-2011 at 04:30 PM.

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08-06-2011, 12:42 PM	#151
sarah11918 Tablet Enthusiast Posts: 335 Karma: 30400 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Canada Device: Kobo Aura One (formerly: Asus Eee Note, enTourage eDGe EE, Nokia N810)	The sleep on the EEE is great. Kicks in quickly (I believe you can set the exact time), conserves power very well and starts up immediately. As you know, the EE hibernates but even left hibernating, will be dead if you try to wake it up the next day if it hasn't been charging. Not so with the EEE. Battery life/consumption is amazing if your standard is the EE. It won't be a disappointment! As for the screen, the EE screen has better contrast. You need to be in pretty good lighting to see the EEE screen well; it just seems more muted. The other slight issue can be if for example you have a bedside reading light. The EE only needs light, and glare is pretty much never an issue. But the EEE, I guess being an LCD, can still be subject to glare. So you need light, but also well-placed light. (Unlike the EE where glare doesn't seem to be an issue.) So when you combine the lower contrast with perhaps fiddling with the light source, reading on the EE is a better visual experience. I don't often experience much lag even writing on the EE, but the EEE is even smoother/faster and I find the pen tools can be controlled with slightly better precision, even if your annotation options may be a bit more limited. So the actual physical writing experience, taking notes etc. is just as good on the EEE, maybe even better than the EE. As I've written earlier, though, using what you've written is a bit more of a pain on the EEE if you want anything more than a graphic file uploaded to evernote. So the best use of the EEE is still, I think, as a kind of spiral bound notebook replacement. If you want to keep everything contained on that device, have all your notes in one place, have things available to read and a few games to play but mostly think of this as your scratch pad, "book of sketches/ideas", source of infinite sudoku puzzles etc. you'd be very pleased with the EEE. I find that the EEE is my first choice for picking up to quickly jot something down. I have several devices on which I could do this, but battery life/wake from sleep time leave something to be desired on everything else: Nokia N810, Edge and old tablet PC. (If I had a dedicated office area where everything could be constantly plugged in, that would help. But I don't have such a space set up.) The EEE could be lying somewhere, unplugged, and it will generally still have good battery life remaining and resume quickly enough to use to jot down a phone number from a voice mail. It really is like an electronic notebook that way. The EEE is my last choice for creating annotated PDFs for my curriculum site like the ones I posted earlier, not because of the writing experience, but because of the difficulty in turning that work back into quality pdfs, and the lack of zoom/colour options. And you couldn't possibly be faulted for not reading my past posts in their entirety!

08-08-2011, 01:11 PM	#153
nprnncbl Member Posts: 18 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Entourage Edge	Sarah- thanks for the extra info! Since for me, reading is primary and the note-taking facility is secondary, I'll be sticking with the EE for now, not the EEE. (Confusing names!)

08-11-2011, 01:22 PM	#155
wodin Illiterate Posts: 10,279 Karma: 37848716 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: The Sandwich Isles Device: Samsung Galaxy S10+, Microsoft Surface Pro	A little update on Tabnotes use with a capacitive stylus ... don't bother! Palm rejection is pretty close to zero, and then the tab interprets the slightest touch on the screen as a multitouch gesture, and either pans or zooms the writing area. Very disconcerting! OTOH, finger input works very well. Anybody want to buy a capacitive stylus?

08-12-2011, 01:08 PM	#157
wodin Illiterate Posts: 10,279 Karma: 37848716 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: The Sandwich Isles Device: Samsung Galaxy S10+, Microsoft Surface Pro	Yes, I agree. Since I already had a SGT, and the app was only three bucks, the biggest loss was the $15 for the stylus. Oh well, the search goes on.

08-17-2011, 04:35 PM	#158
sarah11918 Tablet Enthusiast Posts: 335 Karma: 30400 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Canada Device: Kobo Aura One (formerly: Asus Eee Note, enTourage eDGe EE, Nokia N810)	There's a US-based listing for an Eee Note on eBay today: http://cgi.ebay.com/Asus-Eee-Note-EA...-/230659777020 Just for those of you Americans who are interested, but don't want the hassle of importing.

10-02-2011, 03:07 AM	#160
bosun120 Member Retired Posts: 23 Karma: 40 Join Date: Sep 2011 Device: Android	Just curious, are there any e-ink writing/annotation devices currently or will be in the market? I think once e-ink becomes writable and can be displayed in color it will explode (think comic books).

10-02-2011, 03:20 AM	#161
frahse occasional author Posts: 2,315 Karma: 2064403292 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Wandering God's glorious hills, valleys and plains. Device: A Franklin BI (before Internet) was the first. I still have it.	Those infrared position sensors used in the on touch eReaders with e-Ink would work for a stylus as well as a finger. I don't know how accurate the position would be. I am not an expert on screen technology but I think they use the resistive screens for stylus work.

10-02-2011, 03:49 PM	#163
pholy Booklegger Posts: 1,801 Karma: 7999816 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Device: BeBook(1 & 2010), PEZ, PRS-505, Kobo BT, PRS-T1, Playbook, Kobo Touch	I haven't used it (yet) but the Sony 650 and T1 seem to have excellent annotation capabilities. I think I'll get a T1 pretty soon, so I'll try to remember to let you know.

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