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Old 05-18-2009, 03:49 PM   #2056
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Well, most romance readers are women, but I know some men who read them also. Just sayin'



Thanks for addressing this. I am relieved to see that you understand.




Actually pressing big buttons with small fingers is easy. Seriously. So no, don't bother with making the buttons smaller. One issue that does pop to mind is that the buttons must be easy to press, so that someone whose hands aren't very strong can turn pages for hours without having her thumbs cramp. Also if you want your reader to appeal to women, make sure that the ergonomics work for small hands as well as big ones. I have long fingers, but someone with short fingers probably also needs to be able to turn the pages with the hand holding the book.

Personally, I like being able to switch hands. My reader isn't heavy or anything--it's about like a paperback book--but even so I need to switch hands every so often. So I really like that it has a page turn button on each side. I don't know if that's a "woman" thing or not--though people who are less strong might want to switch hands more often.

Seriously, these are the only "woman useability issues" I can think of.

But you know what really appeals to me? That "man reader" someone was talking about downthread, ruggedized and waterproof, with a lexan cover for the screen. I like to canoe, see. And I've been telling myself that no, I mustn't take my e-book reader canoe-camping with me, even though the combination of dozens of books in something the size and weight of one is just *perfect* for a situation in which everything has to fit in one pack and be carried over portages. Because, of course, if the e-book reader fell in the water, it would be toast. An ex-e-book reader. Pining for the fjords. But a waterproof one, now--that would be just the ticket. And the lexan cover would keep it safe if I thoughtlessly packed it next to the pans. Okay, olive green is not my favorite color, but for a ruggedized waterproof reader...I could live with olive green.

Just not camo, please, for goodness sake. I want to be able to find it again.
Dear Cat:

Thank you!! I was approached at CES by a company that can make eBook Readers waterproof. It can be done. I have not had a chance to look further into this but will now. Waterproof would, of course, be of value to both men and women but that is fine! This all came up via U.S. Navy Seals. They also need a ruggedized and waterproof eBook Reader for certain classified ops.

So... this is a good idea if it does not cost too much. I will find out.

Thank you!
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Old 05-18-2009, 04:04 PM   #2057
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+10000 there.

Any reader with only the bottom right button thingy would never be a reader I would buy. As I have rather sever RA which affects my hands there is no way I can read exclusively with one hand, but my preference is the left hand naturally. I am right handed but have always kept the right han free to do other tasks while reading. Eating lunch, dinner, taking notes and such. Because I am right handed my right hand is a fair bit worse than the left so holding anything at all for more than a few moments is problematic on the best of days.

Much as I point out when I disagree with RobertB, it's because I expect so much more from him than a typical poster, he is the face of the company he works for...he has to demand perfection from himself. And one thing I can say, is months ago in this thread, I mentioned this hand issues and he really seemed to pay attention that this is likely the type of issue stopping many of the potential user-base (in today's market) from reading period, let alone an ereading device that does not take the need to change hands frequently and that each of us in the geezer years, have different needs.

So, the more hand agnostic the device the better. However, it still remains to be seen if that point sunk in with the designers, who I fear, being young, have zero appreciation about the issue or it's prevalence in us 40+ folks...even more so for us 50-somethings that have spent near 30-yrs at the keyboard already. If I had to rank needs, hand pain is head and shoulders above eye strain for me. I already have hand pain from the RA 24/7/365, it never goes away...period. As an aside to clarity, do not confuse RA with OA. They are totally different and unrelated conditions...the former is an auto-immune disease with an unknown cause and no cure to date, only palliative care or what amounts to immunosuppressant low end chemo therapy (same drugs as given to cancer patients but in far lower, though still dangerous, doses.) The latter is a wear-n-tear physical condition and not a disease and can often be completely corrected by therapy and even joint replacement or other surgical options). But BOTH can have pain levels off the charts and that is the real problem which causes us to avoid anything that makes the pain more intense.

So, here is hoping it sinks in somewhere that we all benefit from hand agnostic devices.
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Yes, we all need to be free to agree or disagree. When I first started this thread I mentioned that I was the neophyte. My background was business development for consumer electronics. I was not at all an eBook Reader engineer or even very knowledgeable about eBook Readers. I have learned a lot by people saying "you are wrong, Robert B". Wallcraft today caught me on PVI. I was told PVI only made 4 level grey scale but Wallcraft does know better and I applaud that.

This is a forum meant for discussion. This thread exists because I argue a bit and invite argument and we all discuss. I do not pretend to know everything (not even close) but I can learn. People like Brecklundin pull me back sometimes when I am wrong and I applaud that.

What I bring to this thread is an Insider's Knowledge of eBook Reader Manufacturing and what it is like to go up against the Big Two. I dutifully and with vigor try to make sure my customers are pleased with their purchases and I try to adapt ideas to make devices better. I hope that is WHY this thread continues as it has value. We will NOT all agree but we will collectively try to find out what is right and what could be better.
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Old 05-18-2009, 06:30 PM   #2058
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Dear RobertB,

Thanks again for all the information you do provide in these forums. You remain the most active company and you do have a major task ahead of you competing against the big two. I'm glad you accept all our challenges/criticisms as just attempts to get the most accurate, up to date information on upcoming readers and technologies.

My own view is that there is still a huge opportunity and it's around products that come under USD200.

I started off my quest wanting all the bells and whistles in one reader but the more I learn and the more patient I am I realise that what I'm buying is simply a book READER and that it will in all likelihood only be used 3 years, perhaps even less as replacement technologies/devices come thick and fast and cheaper.

When I began posting on this thread months ago I could not wait for the updated Hanling v3/bebook 2 with touchscreen etc. However, since that time my habits and buying policy have changed. I do a lot more browsing on my netbook and phone rather than my main pc, I have all my media content (incl books) stored on a central server running whs and I've realised that spreading the same dollars that would have bought me the best ebook reader on the planet can instead be spent on a good, basic reader, a next gen iphone subscription (phone, browser, compact book reader) and more books.

This week I had to replace one of my dual monitors that had died. I researched and researched and looked at many and read countless reviews. In the end I decided a good, basic monitor that met most of my criteria was just fine rather than splashing out for a top of the line only worthy of an imaging professional (out of interest AUD225 is pretty darned good for a full HD 22 incher).

My point at the end of this is to stronly encourage you to go out and capture the sub USD200 market where most of the action will be so bring on the Mentor-Lite, Bebook Mini, Cybook Opus and Cool-er and all the other players at this end and let's see what happens.
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Old 05-18-2009, 06:31 PM   #2059
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Any word on when the firmware with support of the ereader format will be available? I know its been said that it is coming just wondering if you had any updates.
One of the problems with getting bought by a huge company like Barnes and Noble is that procedures that use to be simple take longer. Fictionwise makes eReader and we are approved and they are going full speed ahead to finish the SDK in Linux for the EZ Reader and Mentor both.

Although we are "grandfathered in" we still have to get agreements dutifully signed and ratified and countersigned and such. Fictionwise now cannot just sign agreements... B&N has to also sign. So, we know all the agreements are vocally approved and will be upheld... but we are waiting for the paperwork to catch up.

Everything is still online for a Linux SDK of eReader in very early July. Then we can finish off the porting (we are working in stages as pieces of the eReader are done) so porting should go quickly when the SDK is ready.

This is to say that it is coming and soon we will have an upgrade on the new website to allow this. It is not really delayed at all... just crossing the "T's" and dotting the "i's".
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Thanks for that update on support for the Ereader DRM format.

I have also been waiting for an e-ink device to support this format since I have many books in it.

You've got my money as soon as its supported.
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Old 05-18-2009, 07:11 PM   #2061
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Dear RobertB,

Thanks again for all the information you do provide in these forums. You remain the most active company and you do have a major task ahead of you competing against the big two. I'm glad you accept all our challenges/criticisms as just attempts to get the most accurate, up to date information on upcoming readers and technologies.

My own view is that there is still a huge opportunity and it's around products that come under USD200.

I started off my quest wanting all the bells and whistles in one reader but the more I learn and the more patient I am I realise that what I'm buying is simply a book READER and that it will in all likelihood only be used 3 years, perhaps even less as replacement technologies/devices come thick and fast and cheaper.

When I began posting on this thread months ago I could not wait for the updated Hanling v3/bebook 2 with touchscreen etc. However, since that time my habits and buying policy have changed. I do a lot more browsing on my netbook and phone rather than my main pc, I have all my media content (incl books) stored on a central server running whs and I've realised that spreading the same dollars that would have bought me the best ebook reader on the planet can instead be spent on a good, basic reader, a next gen iphone subscription (phone, browser, compact book reader) and more books.

This week I had to replace one of my dual monitors that had died. I researched and researched and looked at many and read countless reviews. In the end I decided a good, basic monitor that met most of my criteria was just fine rather than splashing out for a top of the line only worthy of an imaging professional (out of interest AUD225 is pretty darned good for a full HD 22 incher).

My point at the end of this is to stronly encourage you to go out and capture the sub USD200 market where most of the action will be so bring on the Mentor-Lite, Bebook Mini, Cybook Opus and Cool-er and all the other players at this end and let's see what happens.
Dear Mobelby:

I do hear you and I still hear that magic $200 figure and under. Here are the problems:

1. Astak has no desire to put out anything that is not first rate. Right now there are numerous firms jumping onto the $200 USD bandwagon but with questionable panels and software. There are, for example, LCD screens appearing and they cost a lot less and give a lot less as well. We all know the old saying: "there is nothing that cannot be sold cheaper by shortcutting and using questionable practices and components". We know that 6 inch panels in Grade 1 will cost around $65-$70 to the manufacturer. We will not use Grade 2. Then you have the engineering and the guts and the body and the mold for the body to deal with. That can add an additional $100 per unit minimal. Then the factory needs to make some profit. Figure they realistically want to make $35 per unit which is not obscene. Then Astak brings it in and sells it for $20 profit for Astak to a retailer. The retailer wants to make $40 profit minimum. I am not stating excuses here (and people can argue with my figures) but I am just trying to lay it out plainly as I know it to be.

2. Then the retailer needs to be "supported". this means dollars for marketing campaigns and rebates and such.

3. In addition to this you have to do a minimum amount of sales trips to the retailers and display at a few Trade Shows a year (this can be $90,000 for CES alone). AND... there is freight to pay for.

Mobelby, I know you to be a bright and very well-intentioned person. I just cannot see a way in all of this to sell first rate product at $200 in six inch. Yes, maybe 5 inch can hit there and definitely LCD already has hit there.

My question to myself is: Why would $65 or so make a huge difference to people when they are buying something that they will live with and count on for 2-3 years? Maybe I have been living too good (I do not make a big salary though)... but, to me, I do not feel that $65 would dissuade me. I bought the top-of-the-line iPod three years ago (instead of cheaper competition) and it has returned three years of pleasure and entertainment and never had a problem (knock on wood). I see the same with the EZ Reader (sold at Fry's for $249 often). I would hope that people read the posts from those who bought EZ Readers and love them and do not have problems.

I hear you and I know there is that somehow magical $200 figure... but I am much more concerned with the damnable purchase working no matter what for customers... than about a magical amount. Astak cannot afford to cut corners and have unhappy customers returning units. WHY do you think FRY's carries the EZ Reader? Minimal or no returns.

Please do not think I am pig-headed.
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As Musicman said thanks for the update on the drm'ed ereader format.

Also I think that Frys might need some more EZreader units they seem to be out on their website. I was going to order one for $239.00 but they don't have any for delivery anymore. Guess I'll wait a little longer to retire my eb-1150.
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As Musicman said thanks for the update on the drm'ed ereader format.

Also I think that Frys might need some more EZreader units they seem to be out on their website. I was going to order one for $239.00 but they don't have any for delivery anymore. Guess I'll wait a little longer to retire my eb-1150.
Dear Derrell:

We have filled every P.O. that FRY's sent out (for stores and online) and they do have them. Don't know if sale price is still on as FRY's decides price. They definitely DO have them but likely any hour they will put them back as available from what I know. They do have them but I guess it takes them a while to post arrivals. Keep checking because it should be soon now they get going again!!
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Olive green isn't my cup of coffee either.

Now, close your eyes, and imagine a big hunk of a ruggedized device, with ribbed, glass fiber reinforced massive body, with big rubber buttons IN HOT PINK.
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I do hear you and I still hear that magic $200 figure and under. Here are the problems:
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We know that 6 inch panels in Grade 1 will cost around $65-$70 to the manufacturer.
I am one of those squarely in the $200 is the magic number for eReaders to become truely main stream. However, I see no reason that the $200 has to be 6-inch. I believe a 5-inch reader at that price would surprise a lot of folks. I recently added a jetBook to my pile of readers and right now I split my reading time between the jetBook (at work) and my EZ Reader (at home). The jetBook gets a lot of time because of size! It fits easily in my pants or sport coat pocket. I am sure that I will buy another EZ Reader or Mentor if either shows up in the 5-inch form!
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I am one of those squarely in the $200 is the magic number for eReaders to become truely main stream. However, I see no reason that the $200 has to be 6-inch. I believe a 5-inch reader at that price would surprise a lot of folks. I recently added a jetBook to my pile of readers and right now I split my reading time between the jetBook (at work) and my EZ Reader (at home). The jetBook gets a lot of time because of size! It fits easily in my pants or sport coat pocket. I am sure that I will buy another EZ Reader or Mentor if either shows up in the 5-inch form!
That's my thought too. $65 may not sound much, but I think $200 is an emotional barrier. Who can explain the average buyer's mentality? I only know that if there was a device at the €199 price right now, I'd have it. But as the cheapest I can get is at around €250, I still haven't got one...
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I would go even further and say that £200 is far to high for the main consumer market. I just don't think these devices will catch on until they go sub £100.

When my friends and family ask me what I'm looking at on the computer, and I tell them e-readers. All I get is blank looks in return. Most people I know have never heard of them. When I tell them all about them and how easy on the eyes they are, most become interested. But when I tell them the price, most are flabbergasted. They think I'm mad for even considering buying one.
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I am one of those squarely in the $200 is the magic number for eReaders to become truely main stream. However, I see no reason that the $200 has to be 6-inch. I believe a 5-inch reader at that price would surprise a lot of folks. I recently added a jetBook to my pile of readers and right now I split my reading time between the jetBook (at work) and my EZ Reader (at home). The jetBook gets a lot of time because of size! It fits easily in my pants or sport coat pocket. I am sure that I will buy another EZ Reader or Mentor if either shows up in the 5-inch form!
Dear Smithno:

O.K. I am copying your post and sending it to the General Manager of Astak. He has been looking at a 5 inch that would be designed for the North American market. Let me see what we can do.

There is a lot of interest in 5 inch and I think we need one. Let me see if this can become reality any time soon.

I will guarantee all that Astak is not thinking at all of a Camo color.

Thank you everybody for your input on everything from colors to sizes.

OH, I also personally agree that page turning needs to be on BOTH the left and right side! Our factory in Taiwan does not always get that message. This is often because they work on projects often a year in advance of the release or more.

I will remind them. The EZ Reader does have page turn on both sides. Thank you and I will try to get them to understand.
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I will guarantee all that Astak is not thinking at all of a Camo color.

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Ahhhh... As a former Air Force Officer and current member of the military community, there is NOTHING wrong with Camo.....

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