So I just have to ask... - Page 4

Rev. Bob · 07-25-2014, 06:00 AM

Hmm. I may be looking at books generated by versions earlier than that, then; I've never seen a calibre-generated CSS sheet that used 1-2-10 sort instead of 1-10-2 straight-string sort.

Once I get the new version downloaded, I'll run a test by making a fresh MOBI-to-EPUB conversion of a random book and see what the CSS output looks like.

JSWolf · 07-25-2014, 08:41 AM

I just took a look at an ePub> AZW3 conversion that I recently did and yes, I can verify that the CSS has the calibre classes in the correct numerical order.

icallaci · 07-25-2014, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidfor

Well, that was disgustingly easy. Well, it was once I actually read what Kovid had written about it. Then the hardest part was to find an icon*.

Because of a question in the Modify ePub thread about sorting the CSS, I decided to try an editor plugin.

It is dumb. It simply adds a toolbar button. Press the button and it sorts each stylesheet on the selectors. Then it presents the differences.

The plugin is attached. I have only tested it with the Qt5 beta code of calibre, but it should be OK with Qt4. I did this for curiosity more than any actual need I have. If there is any real interest, I'll open a thread to discuss it.

* And I don't think I was very successful at that.

Thank you! I will give this a try soon. Wowsers, that was fast.

icallaci · 07-25-2014, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidfor

Well, that was disgustingly easy. Well, it was once I actually read what Kovid had written about it. Then the hardest part was to find an icon*.

Because of a question in the Modify ePub thread about sorting the CSS, I decided to try an editor plugin.

It is dumb. It simply adds a toolbar button. Press the button and it sorts each stylesheet on the selectors. Then it presents the differences.

The plugin is attached. I have only tested it with the Qt5 beta code of calibre, but it should be OK with Qt4. I did this for curiosity more than any actual need I have. If there is any real interest, I'll open a thread to discuss it.

* And I don't think I was very successful at that.

It worked on the very simple stylesheet I tried. Thank you! I don't know why I've been running into duplicate classes lately, but your plugin removes some of the tedium from a very tedious process. (And, BTW, I like the icon

)

theducks · 07-25-2014, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidfor

The plugin is attached. I have only tested it with the Qt5 beta code of calibre, but it should be OK with Qt4. I did this for curiosity more than any actual need I have. If there is any real interest, I'll open a thread to discuss it.

Might I suggest that we need a PI naming convention now that Calibre has PI's in both the Main and the editor?

<thinking ahead>
Does the editor need its own (filtered) 'Get Plugins' on its menu?
Do we need to have a finer break out if Editor PI's appear on the Main 'Get Plugins'?

theducks · 07-25-2014, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rev. Bob

Hmm. I may be looking at books generated by versions earlier than that, then; I've never seen a calibre-generated CSS sheet that used 1-2-10 sort instead of 1-10-2 straight-string sort.

Once I get the new version downloaded, I'll run a test by making a fresh MOBI-to-EPUB conversion of a random book and see what the CSS output looks like.

Hmmm!
I had noticed a few converted books no longer had the 'Calibrexx' tags now in numeric sort order (formerly ASCII sorted)

I had just assumed

the publisher had sorted the 'house' stylesheet

Duplicate CSS selectors can be a pain. Early Baen (those with 6 CSS files) had body in 3 pieces. While valid, it can be a PITA to debug on large CSS. A sorted CSS helps.

For all else, I had been using Sigils GoTo Link or Class, so I did not really care where in the CSS it was.

kovidgoyal · 07-25-2014, 11:46 AM

The editor is part of the main GUI as far as I am concerned. Editor plugins are no different than any other kinds of plugins, just as viewer plugins are no different than any other kind of plugins.

theducks · 07-25-2014, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

The editor is part of the main GUI as far as I am concerned. Editor plugins are no different than any other kinds of plugins, just as viewer plugins are no different than any other kind of plugins.

Fair
I was thinking more about new users looking for a PI that applies only to use of the editor (and now that you mention: viewer).
The list is getting rather large (

PI developers) and I know the tendency of new users not to wade through long documentation

mrmikel · 07-25-2014, 02:54 PM

How do you bring up the plug in tool bar? I checked it in view and didn't see it anywhere.

theducks · 07-25-2014, 03:06 PM

I think it is the one that shows at the top of the CSS (tab) when active.

Why is 'Insert Image' defaulted on the CSS toolbar

theducks · 07-25-2014, 03:25 PM

Ah (using 203)
Plugins got added to the (Text) Menu at the top.
The allowed toolbar configuration is 'Book wide'

I think I was also expecting it to appear elsewhere

{updated as I type }
It took ~2 restarts of Calibre and there Sort CSS Icon was at the end of the Main toolbar.
Go figure

theducks · 07-25-2014, 04:27 PM

Defiantly a minor bug.

I just tried on 1.46 W7x64

steps:
1) added PI sort CSS
2) restarted Calibre
3) opened editor: On the Menu: Plugins: Sort CSS appears, no other toolbar
4) (in the editor) edit: Preferences: toolbars: Book wide from 3rd party. appears
<the trigger event>
5) (in the editor) edit: Preferences: toolbars: Book wide : Add sort CSS to this toolbar: OK

2 copies of the Icon appear
6) remove the icon in step 5: OK

One icon is left

theducks · 07-25-2014, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidfor

Well, that was disgustingly easy. Well, it was once I actually read what Kovid had written about it. Then the hardest part was to find an icon*.

Because of a question in the Modify ePub thread about sorting the CSS, I decided to try an editor plugin.

It is dumb. It simply adds a toolbar button. Press the button and it sorts each stylesheet on the selectors. Then it presents the differences.

The plugin is attached. I have only tested it with the Qt5 beta code of calibre, but it should be OK with Qt4. I did this for curiosity more than any actual need I have. If there is any real interest, I'll open a thread to discuss it.

* And I don't think I was very successful at that.

Might not be working the way you thought (1.46 x64) if I understand the rules. Sorts All CSS in book? (actually, i would prefer the current only, but User PI may be limited)

2@ CSS: page_styles, styleesheet
I ran the PI, it showed changes made to Pages (not obvious, only @pages)
the other: stylesheet (the one that could use a sort, did not change. old styl calibre ASCII sorted styles)

Did I use incorrectly?

kovidgoyal · 07-25-2014, 10:35 PM

The plugin toolbar will be visible only if you have any installed plugins.

When you install a plugin it becomes available in a "Plugins" menu and if it is the first time it is installed (as opposed to being updated), it is also added to the plugins toolbar.

And note that after installing the plugin you have to restart the editor, if it was already open.

davidfor · 07-25-2014, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

The editor is part of the main GUI as far as I am concerned. Editor plugins are no different than any other kinds of plugins, just as viewer plugins are no different than any other kind of plugins.

I agree that all the plugins should be in the main calibre preference list and installed/updated from the one list. But, it would be good to have a list of plugins within editor and viewer. That's were I would look to configure or disable them. But, there are better places to spend your time.

07-25-2014, 06:00 AM	#46
Rev. Bob Wizard Posts: 1,760 Karma: 9918418 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Here on the perimeter, there are no stars Device: Kobo H2O, iPad mini 3, Kindle Touch	Hmm. I may be looking at books generated by versions earlier than that, then; I've never seen a calibre-generated CSS sheet that used 1-2-10 sort instead of 1-10-2 straight-string sort. Once I get the new version downloaded, I'll run a test by making a fresh MOBI-to-EPUB conversion of a random book and see what the CSS output looks like.

07-25-2014, 08:41 AM	#47
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,722 Karma: 145864619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I just took a look at an ePub> AZW3 conversion that I recently did and yes, I can verify that the CSS has the calibre classes in the correct numerical order.

07-25-2014, 11:46 AM	#52
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 45,339 Karma: 27182818 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	The editor is part of the main GUI as far as I am concerned. Editor plugins are no different than any other kinds of plugins, just as viewer plugins are no different than any other kind of plugins.

07-25-2014, 02:54 PM	#54
mrmikel Color me gone Posts: 2,089 Karma: 1445295 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Oregon Coast Device: PRS-300	How do you bring up the plug in tool bar? I checked it in view and didn't see it anywhere.

07-25-2014, 03:06 PM	#55
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 31,046 Karma: 60358908 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	I think it is the one that shows at the top of the CSS (tab) when active. Why is 'Insert Image' defaulted on the CSS toolbar

07-25-2014, 03:25 PM	#56
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 31,046 Karma: 60358908 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	Ah (using 203) Plugins got added to the (Text) Menu at the top. The allowed toolbar configuration is 'Book wide' I think I was also expecting it to appear elsewhere {updated as I type } It took ~2 restarts of Calibre and there Sort CSS Icon was at the end of the Main toolbar. Go figure

07-25-2014, 04:27 PM	#57
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 31,046 Karma: 60358908 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	Defiantly a minor bug. I just tried on 1.46 W7x64 steps: 1) added PI sort CSS 2) restarted Calibre 3) opened editor: On the Menu: Plugins: Sort CSS appears, no other toolbar 4) (in the editor) edit: Preferences: toolbars: Book wide from 3rd party. appears <the trigger event> 5) (in the editor) edit: Preferences: toolbars: Book wide : Add sort CSS to this toolbar: OK 2 copies of the Icon appear 6) remove the icon in step 5: OK One icon is left

07-25-2014, 10:35 PM	#59
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 45,339 Karma: 27182818 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	The plugin toolbar will be visible only if you have any installed plugins. When you install a plugin it becomes available in a "Plugins" menu and if it is the first time it is installed (as opposed to being updated), it is also added to the plugins toolbar. And note that after installing the plugin you have to restart the editor, if it was already open.

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