Dealing with Kindle for PC/Mac 1.19 and KFX in calibre

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

It is the reason why I bought over a thousand books back in the time when Kobo tried to break into the market with those 60-70-80%+ coupons that could be used multiple times; between 2011 and 2015. I bought every book I had in paper (where possible), everything I wanted, might want, and could possibly want for the future, and de-DRM'd it.

This feels pretty strange to me. You don't want to read anything published after 2015? More than half of my many thousands of ebooks are the ones published in the last 5-6 years.

That said, I agree with you about DRM. Any book I buy gets the DRM immediately removed. There's no DRMed ebook in my Calibre library.

[jhowell]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

This feels pretty strange to me. You don't want to read anything published after 2015? More than half of my many thousands of ebooks are the ones published in the last 5-6 years.

That wouldn't work for me either. Most of the books I intend to read over the remainder of my life haven't even been published yet.

[Katsunami]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

This feels pretty strange to me. You don't want to read anything published after 2015? More than half of my many thousands of ebooks are the ones published in the last 5-6 years.

I don't go and actively look for newer books, no. Just as I don't go and look for newer games because I've got such a huge backlog I (still) want to play at least one more time. I'm just not that interested in having new stuff to be honest.

If someone mentions something and it looks good, I buy it if the price is right. I have bought books after 2015 of course, but not in the thousands.

I have a weird buying pattern according to others. Even if a series looks good, I won't buy it before it is finished. (If the series is going to consist of multiple trilogies, for example, I'll buy it per finished trilogy.) There are quite a few series on my list that are still going and as soon as the author declares them finished I'll buy the entire series in one go. Actually, if I discover a new author I like after reading 1-2 books, I'll just buy his or her entire (finished) work.

Same thing in clothing stores. When I shop for shirts, I find the the type I like and then I buy it in every available color that I like. I'm also the guy that causes you to not be able to buy dish washing detergent or hand soap at your favorite online store for at least a week, because I was just there five minutes earlier and I bought the last 87 flasks because they were on sale for 50%.

I hate shopping. I hate browsing. Both online and IRL. It costs too much time and effort, especially with my poor vision. I have lists of what I want or need, and as soon as one of those items is needed I shop around and buy so much of it that I'm done for at least a year.

Obviously I don't buy 20 computers in one go; but WHEN I buy a computer, it is so massively overpowered that I could keep it for at least 7-8 years if I so wanted. Often my computer is still in the midrange of available NEW devices with regard to computing power, memory and storage, 5-6 years after I bought it. When it starts slipping into lower quarter compared to newer computers I'll start to look for something new.

I'm sure you get the drift. At some point I'll probably go on a massive e-book shopping spree again.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

Spoiler:

I don't go and actively look for newer books, no. Just as I don't go and look for newer games because I've got such a huge backlog I (still) want to play at least one more time. I'm just not that interested in having new stuff to be honest.

If someone mentions something and it looks good, I buy it if the price is right. I have bought books after 2015 of course, but not in the thousands.

I have a weird buying pattern according to others. Even if a series looks good, I won't buy it before it is finished. (If the series is going to consist of multiple trilogies, for example, I'll buy it per finished trilogy.) There are quite a few series on my list that are still going and as soon as the author declares them finished I'll buy the entire series in one go. Actually, if I discover a new author I like after reading 1-2 books, I'll just buy his or her entire (finished) work.

Same thing in clothing stores. When I shop for shirts, I find the the type I like and then I buy it in every available color that I like. I'm also the guy that causes you to not be able to buy dish washing detergent or hand soap at your favorite online store for at least a week, because I was just there five minutes earlier and I bought the last 87 flasks because they were on sale for 50%.

I hate shopping. I hate browsing. Both online and IRL. It costs too much time and effort, especially with my poor vision. I have lists of what I want or need, and as soon as one of those items is needed I shop around and buy so much of it that I'm done for at least a year.

Obviously I don't buy 20 computers in one go; but WHEN I buy a computer, it is so massively overpowered that I could keep it for at least 7-8 years if I so wanted. Often my computer is still in the midrange of available NEW devices with regard to computing power, memory and storage, 5-6 years after I bought it. When it starts slipping into lower quarter compared to newer computers I'll start to look for something new.

I'm sure you get the drift. At some point I'll probably go on a massive e-book shopping spree again.

Yeah, I get it, although my own habits are different in many things. While I don't particularly enjoy shopping and browsing either, I dislike buying things in bulk even more as they would clutter up my small apartment terribly (except for ebooks, which I also bought in huge batches when I replaced my paper library. I still buy new ebooks regularly, though).

As to computers, I've actually gone the same route as you for several years now. I used to buy low- and midrange stuff and got dissatisfied with it in a couple of years. Now I buy a top tier device and expect it to last for 5 or more years at the very least.

[Katsunami]

And here we are, talking about buying habits, with me hoping that someone might benefit from that fix for K4PC 1.17 under Wine in Linux

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Lief

PS. DeDRM Obok last version is also not working right now for kobo ebooks (ADE 2 epub drm removal still works).

You do not want KePub from Kobo. You want ePub. ePub is the archival format. Plus, you can use the KoboTouchExteneded driver to conver ePub to KePub if that's what you want. So Obok doesn't need to work.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Lief

Both KFX and the latest adobe drm have never been cracked.

Actually, the new Adobe DRM has been cracked. See Add support for "hardened" Adobe DRM & crypto code clean-up for more information.

Originally Posted by Lief

PS. DeDRM Obok last version is also not working right now for kobo ebooks (ADE 2 epub drm removal still works).

I just tested a new purchase from Kobo. I opened the Kobo Desktop app, downloaded the book, opened calibre and Obok showed the book was there with DRM, imported to calibre and no problems.

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

You do not want KePub from Kobo. You want ePub. ePub is the archival format. Plus, you can use the KoboTouchExteneded driver to conver ePub to KePub if that's what you want. So Obok doesn't need to work.

No, you want whichever version works best for you. And considering kepubs will validate against any epub checking tool, or are as likely to validate as any random epub bought elsewhere, there is no reason not to use it if you find it more convenient to use.

If you are going to choose a version for archiving, you should really download both and look at which is the better or which is the later (in case the author/publisher fixed something) because the versions are not necessarily the same.

Of course, if you don't like Adobe for some reason, don't download the epubs with Adobe DRM because that sends a little bit of money to Adobe which, I'm pretty sure, they will not receive if you only use the kepub version.

[ThatsANovelIdea]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Actually, the new Adobe DRM has been cracked. See Add support for "hardened" Adobe DRM & crypto code clean-up for more information.



I just tested a new purchase from Kobo. I opened the Kobo Desktop app, downloaded the book, opened calibre and Obok showed the book was there with DRM, imported to calibre and no problems.

Sorry if I missed some context elsewhere (VERY long thread), but you didn't mention using Adobe Digital Editions in your steps. Are you saying you were able to circumvent the need for the Adobe Digital Editions program?

I read that there is a new Calibre plugin that eliminates the need for Adobe Digital Editions, but didn't know if that is what you're using..

[Katsunami]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Actually, the new Adobe DRM has been cracked. See Add support for "hardened" Adobe DRM & crypto code clean-up for more information.

So this would remove DRM from books downloaded with ADE 3.0 and higher? That would be great. I wonder how NoDRM tested that. I've seen some posts around on different forums and sites where people say that this "has been working for some time", but it later turned out that they were just getting books with the old DRM in ADE 3.0 and up.

It seems the new DRM isn't used a lot, even though it has existed for... what... 8+ years?

[shalym]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

I know. But I want to have as many options as possible. I don't want to rely on a single 10 year old device that could die at any moment for whatever reason. Normally I don't buy books at Amazon because I prefer my origin format to be EPUB, but now I want to read a series that is only sold at Amazon for some reason. (That author does have other series that are sold at Kobo and others...)

It doesn't matter whether or not the device is working...you just go to the Content and Devices page in your Amazon account, then click on the "More actions" button to the right of the book, then click on "Download and transfer via USB". There has been some concern lately that this option may be going away, but I'm not sure that Amazon would do that, as it would screw up customers that do not have wifi available to them.

Shari

[jhowell]

Originally Posted by shalym

There has been some concern lately that this option may be going away, but I'm not sure that Amazon would do that, as it would screw up customers that do not have wifi available to them.

I am one of those concerned about the download option being curtailed. Books in some languages and from some publishers are already blocked from being downloaded. And Amazon recently removed the option to download samples.

I believe that they will continue to remove the download option in more cases. It wouldn’t surprise me to see it go away for ebook rentals, loans, and Kindle Unlimited. Also over time additional publishers may opt for the more secure DRM that goes along with preventing downloads.

[Lief]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

You do not want KePub from Kobo. You want ePub. ePub is the archival format. Plus, you can use the KoboTouchExteneded driver to conver ePub to KePub if that's what you want. So Obok doesn't need to work.

Actually I usually store it in any drm free format.
That's the key, if I want another format I will just convert it again (ebooks are not music or video where you can lose quality during conversion, and I'll just do a loseless conversion for comics).
The best thing is if multiple options works since some of them will stop working.

Originally Posted by DNSB

Actually, the new Adobe DRM has been cracked. See Add support for "hardened" Adobe DRM & crypto code clean-up for more information.



I just tested a new purchase from Kobo. I opened the Kobo Desktop app, downloaded the book, opened calibre and Obok showed the book was there with DRM, imported to calibre and no problems.

About the cracked new Adobe drm that's really good. If they force the new Adobe version we should be able to still enjoy ebook without drm.
Thank you for letting me know.

About the kobo ebook did you open the converted ebook? Because I did not get any error during conversion but the result was not readable in my case.

[Lief]

And I think there is already a issues open for this problem (not by me) :
https://github.com/noDRM/DeDRM_tools/issues/57

[Lief]

Originally Posted by Lief

And I think there is already a issues open for this problem (not by me) :
https://github.com/noDRM/DeDRM_tools/issues/57

Like I said there (my username there is federicorosso1993) I was able to solve the issues by closing kobo app or download one ebook. I think there is still a bug with the obok plugin since it see manga downloaded without closing the app (if you don't have an ebook downloaded) as drm-free even if they got drm. But once that check pass, the drm removal works fine.

So if adobe drm is really fully cracked even for newer version, right now the real problem is how to deal with KFX since that still enforced by amazon.
Right now we got both old kindles-usb trasfer-old kindle pc app (really old to remove KFX drm with KFX Input, until 1.34 for the registry script that disable KFX support so that it will download the old version that can be drm-free or with a drm easy to remove, with KFX even drm-free ebooks will get a drm from amazon for some reason).

If that's continue to be true in the future I think that I will start to buy ebook on kobo instead of amazon when possible. I usually prefer to buy on amazon since they usually both got a drm and I mostly use my kindle to read so I just remove the drm, store the backup as soon as I buy it and read the drm version downloaded from the cloud. But that can change.

I have programming knowledge but unfortunately I know absolutely nothing about the drm removal side so I hope that the community will be able to intervene (I know that it is not at all simple or obvious that it will be possible at all).