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Old 06-15-2020, 03:27 PM   #16
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That does not compute
On both my kobo readers all 4 variants of bookerly work as they should.

So either I have the only working set in the known universe or you are overgeneralising.
Bookerly can be made to work with Kobo properly with ease.

It's changing the internal name to reflect the proper style if I recall correctly.

So it's possible you did this and have forgotten, someone else did this and provided you with the fixed font, or as has been pointed out RMDSK handling it with epubs.

Somewhat of a broader spectrum of possibilities.
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Old 06-15-2020, 04:21 PM   #17
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Did not think of Fire devices at all, so I have no idea if the font shipped there differs, but it's possible. I can definitely only vouch for the eInk variant .

FWIW, this is my process.
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Did not think of Fire devices at all, so I have no idea if the font shipped there differs, but it's possible. I can definitely only vouch for the eInk variant .

FWIW, this is my process.

What a lightweight; you didn't use m4 or awk. And no perl?!
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Old 06-15-2020, 04:55 PM   #19
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What a lightweight; you didn't use m4 or awk. And no perl?!
I'm not *that* masochistic ^^.
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Old 06-15-2020, 05:04 PM   #20
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ACCESS and RMSDK have different sets of font quirks. I don't recall if the RMSDK had noticeable issues with Bookerly, because I don't use it, but ACCESS certainly does with a stock Kindle Bookerly (as in, unmodified, unrenamed).
Stock Bookerly (I most likely extracted it from PW4 5.10.1.3) works fine with regular EPUB.

Didn't even notice there was an issue as I don't often deal with KEPUB, but tried one just now and yeah, it did require modification to work properly on that.
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I use Bookerly extracted from the Android app, and it works fine for me.

As of November 2019, here are the checksums:
Code:
$ sha1sum Bookerly*.ttf
41b84cfa1c962834d62c410c16bde55318a79d05  Bookerly-BoldItalic.ttf
66c6ed5fe8f6dc07779bff7de4f29f997583c5f9  Bookerly-Bold.ttf
3cba5b21d7d639f39bc1742d8b8c517cc63208a1  Bookerly-Italic.ttf
2f0ad6a837ac616760c10160c3927cd64fecb7dc  Bookerly-Regular.ttf
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Old 06-15-2020, 05:42 PM   #22
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Huh. Whodathunk.

eInk, pre-unhinting:

Code:
7c4c7143ec3af9a7e8c279bc7f3ee66b9a08e28e  Bookerly-BoldItalic.ttf
ba9a89bf73a25167d17dab01e035ce3fe41bc1c6  Bookerly-Bold.ttf
9761dd055277c2475bee0c8921e9905313f6948e  Bookerly-Italic.ttf
49dae23f4b5b6b41b2cdd587e9dbc5b53b7d0ee4  Bookerly-Regular.ttf
eInk, post-unhinting:

Code:
e928f41f04b099807a6c27c326991cb108323852  Bookerly-BoldItalic.ttf
5c952c3cbaa21f33a86e83670e43ee885b4840ce  Bookerly-Bold.ttf
a0aec7e835e1925e1af0bbed7fad7be53601daf8  Bookerly-Italic.ttf
92dc27488750c15c20633672260b8a70922176c1  Bookerly-Regular.ttf
Might be as simple as missing the AMZ table and/or having always been unhinted (because Android), or something more involved?

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Huh. Whodathunk.

eInk, pre-unhinting:

Code:
7c4c7143ec3af9a7e8c279bc7f3ee66b9a08e28e  Bookerly-BoldItalic.ttf
ba9a89bf73a25167d17dab01e035ce3fe41bc1c6  Bookerly-Bold.ttf
9761dd055277c2475bee0c8921e9905313f6948e  Bookerly-Italic.ttf
49dae23f4b5b6b41b2cdd587e9dbc5b53b7d0ee4  Bookerly-Regular.ttf
eInk, post-unhinting:

Code:
e928f41f04b099807a6c27c326991cb108323852  Bookerly-BoldItalic.ttf
5c952c3cbaa21f33a86e83670e43ee885b4840ce  Bookerly-Bold.ttf
a0aec7e835e1925e1af0bbed7fad7be53601daf8  Bookerly-Italic.ttf
92dc27488750c15c20633672260b8a70922176c1  Bookerly-Regular.ttf
Might be as simple as missing the AMZ table and/or having always been unhinted (because Android), or something more involved?
You can extract the fonts from the Kindle APK using apktool (it's just an unprotected asset in it).

Where did your bookerly fonts come from (incl. fw version)?

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And, here's some font info for my bookerly fonts:
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$ fc-scan Bookerly-*.ttf 
Pattern has 24 elts (size 32)
	family: "Bookerly"(s)
	familylang: "en"(s)
	style: "Bold Italic"(s)
	stylelang: "en"(s)
	fullname: "Bookerly Bold Italic"(s)
	fullnamelang: "en"(s)
	slant: 100(i)(s)
	weight: 200(f)(s)
	width: 100(f)(s)
	foundry: "DAMA"(s)
	file: "Bookerly-BoldItalic.ttf"(s)
	index: 0(i)(s)
	outline: True(s)
	scalable: True(s)
	charset: 
	0000: 00000000 ffffffff ffffffff 7fffffff 00000000 ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff
	0001: ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff 078ec783 08fdf833 ffffffff ff3fffff
	0002: ffffffff fcfffff2 02c8ffd9 00000101 00040b00 fe000000 3f013fc1 00000000
	0003: 083e9fdf 000363f8 00000034 40300000 ffffd7f0 fffffffb 00ff7fff 00000000
	0004: ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff 003c000c fffffc00 ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff
	001e: ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff 4fffffff ffffffff ffffffff 03ffffff
	001f: 3f3fffff ffffffff aaff3f3f 3fffffff ffffffff ffdfffff efcfffdf 7fdcffff
	0020: ffffffff 5ffdffff 80880398 83f1001f 000003ff 00001098 00000000 00000000
	0021: 4048026b 08004c46 fff80000 ffffffff 003f0000 002c0100 001f0000 00000000
	0022: e7e6bfed 10f00fa9 00002120 00000c33 01e000f8 00000020 00000020 00008000
	0023: 01010f04 00000603 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0000c000 00000000
	0024: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 801ff800
	0025: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 fffcfc03 03009c3f 00008040
	0026: 00000060 1c000000 00000005 0000feff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	0027: 00080000 20000401 02008000 00000000 001ffc00 00040010 00000000 00000000
	002c: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000060 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	00fb: 0000007f 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	00fe: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 80000000
	00ff: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 30000000
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	lang: aa|ab|af|ast|av|ay|az-az|ba|be|bg|bi|bin|br|bs|bua|ca|ce|ch|chm|co|cs|cv|cy|da|de|el|en|eo|es|et|eu|fi|fj|fo|fr|fur|fy|ga|gd|gl|gn|gv|ha|haw|ho|hr|hu|ia|ig|id|ie|ik|io|is|it|kaa|ki|kk|kl|kum|kv|kw|ky|la|lb|lez|lt|lv|mg|mh|mi|mk|mo|mt|nb|nds|nl|nn|no|nr|nso|ny|oc|om|os|pl|pt|rm|ro|ru|sah|sco|se|sel|sh|shs|sk|sl|sm|sma|smj|smn|sms|so|sq|sr|ss|st|sv|sw|tg|tk|tl|tn|to|tr|ts|tt|tyv|uk|uz|ve|vi|vo|vot|wa|wen|wo|xh|yap|yo|zu|an|crh|csb|fil|hsb|ht|jv|kj|kr|ku-tr|kwm|lg|li|mn-mn|ms|na|ng|nv|pap-an|pap-aw|qu|quz|rn|rw|sc|sg|sn|su|ty|za(s)
	fontversion: 65536(i)(s)
	capability: "otlayout:DFLT otlayout:cyrl otlayout:grek otlayout:latn"(s)
	fontformat: "TrueType"(s)
	decorative: False(s)
	postscriptname: "Bookerly-BoldItalic"(s)
	color: False(s)
	symbol: False(s)
	variable: False(s)

Pattern has 24 elts (size 32)
	family: "Bookerly"(s)
	familylang: "en"(s)
	style: "Bold"(s)
	stylelang: "en"(s)
	fullname: "Bookerly Bold"(s)
	fullnamelang: "en"(s)
	slant: 0(i)(s)
	weight: 200(f)(s)
	width: 100(f)(s)
	foundry: "DAMA"(s)
	file: "Bookerly-Bold.ttf"(s)
	index: 0(i)(s)
	outline: True(s)
	scalable: True(s)
	charset: 
	0000: 00000000 ffffffff ffffffff 7fffffff 00000000 ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff
	0001: ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff 078ec783 08fdf833 ffffffff ff3fffff
	0002: ffffffff fcfffff2 02c8ffd9 00000101 00040b00 fe000000 3f013fc1 00000000
	0003: 083e9fdf 000363f8 00000034 40300000 ffffd7f0 fffffffb 00ff7fff 00000000
	0004: ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff 003c000c fffffc00 ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff
	001e: ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff 4fffffff ffffffff ffffffff 03ffffff
	001f: 3f3fffff ffffffff aaff3f3f 3fffffff ffffffff ffdfffff efcfffdf 7fdcffff
	0020: ffffffff 5ffdffff 80880398 83f1001f 000003ff 00001098 00000000 00000000
	0021: 4048026b 08004c46 fff80000 ffffffff 003f0000 002c0100 001f0000 00000000
	0022: e7e6bfed 10f00fa9 00002120 00000c33 01e000f8 00000020 00000020 00008000
	0023: 01010f04 00000603 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0000c000 00000000
	0024: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 801ff800
	0025: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 fffcfc03 03009c3f 00008040
	0026: 00000060 1c000000 00000005 0000feff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	0027: 00080000 20000401 02008000 00000000 001ffc00 00040010 00000000 00000000
	002c: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000060 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	00fb: 0000007f 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	00fe: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 80000000
	00ff: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 30000000
(s)
	lang: aa|ab|af|ast|av|ay|az-az|ba|be|bg|bi|bin|br|bs|bua|ca|ce|ch|chm|co|cs|cv|cy|da|de|el|en|eo|es|et|eu|fi|fj|fo|fr|fur|fy|ga|gd|gl|gn|gv|ha|haw|ho|hr|hu|ia|ig|id|ie|ik|io|is|it|kaa|ki|kk|kl|kum|kv|kw|ky|la|lb|lez|lt|lv|mg|mh|mi|mk|mo|mt|nb|nds|nl|nn|no|nr|nso|ny|oc|om|os|pl|pt|rm|ro|ru|sah|sco|se|sel|sh|shs|sk|sl|sm|sma|smj|smn|sms|so|sq|sr|ss|st|sv|sw|tg|tk|tl|tn|to|tr|ts|tt|tyv|uk|uz|ve|vi|vo|vot|wa|wen|wo|xh|yap|yo|zu|an|crh|csb|fil|hsb|ht|jv|kj|kr|ku-tr|kwm|lg|li|mn-mn|ms|na|ng|nv|pap-an|pap-aw|qu|quz|rn|rw|sc|sg|sn|su|ty|za(s)
	fontversion: 65536(i)(s)
	capability: "otlayout:DFLT otlayout:cyrl otlayout:grek otlayout:latn"(s)
	fontformat: "TrueType"(s)
	decorative: False(s)
	postscriptname: "Bookerly-Bold"(s)
	color: False(s)
	symbol: False(s)
	variable: False(s)

Pattern has 24 elts (size 32)
	family: "Bookerly"(s)
	familylang: "en"(s)
	style: "Italic"(s)
	stylelang: "en"(s)
	fullname: "Bookerly Italic"(s)
	fullnamelang: "en"(s)
	slant: 100(i)(s)
	weight: 80(f)(s)
	width: 100(f)(s)
	foundry: "DAMA"(s)
	file: "Bookerly-Italic.ttf"(s)
	index: 0(i)(s)
	outline: True(s)
	scalable: True(s)
	charset: 
	0000: 00000000 ffffffff ffffffff 7fffffff 00000000 ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff
	0001: ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff 078ec783 08fdf833 ffffffff ff3fffff
	0002: ffffffff fcfffff2 02c8ffd9 00000101 00040b00 fe000000 3f013fc1 00000000
	0003: 083e9fdf 000363f8 00000034 40300000 ffffd7f0 fffffffb 00ff7fff 00000000
	0004: ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff 003c000c fffffc00 ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff
	001e: ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff 4fffffff ffffffff ffffffff 03ffffff
	001f: 3f3fffff ffffffff aaff3f3f 3fffffff ffffffff ffdfffff efcfffdf 7fdcffff
	0020: ffffffff 5ffdffff 80880398 83f1001f 000003ff 00001098 00000000 00000000
	0021: 4048026b 08004c46 fff80000 ffffffff 003f0000 002c0100 001f0000 00000000
	0022: e7e6bfed 10f00fa9 00002120 00000c33 01e000f8 00000020 00000020 00008000
	0023: 01010f04 00000603 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0000c000 00000000
	0024: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 801ff800
	0025: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 fffcfc03 03009c3f 00008040
	0026: 00000060 1c000000 00000005 0000feff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	0027: 00080000 20000401 02008000 00000000 001ffc00 00040010 00000000 00000000
	002c: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000060 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	00fb: 0000007f 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	00fe: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 80000000
	00ff: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 30000000
(s)
	lang: aa|ab|af|ast|av|ay|az-az|ba|be|bg|bi|bin|br|bs|bua|ca|ce|ch|chm|co|cs|cv|cy|da|de|el|en|eo|es|et|eu|fi|fj|fo|fr|fur|fy|ga|gd|gl|gn|gv|ha|haw|ho|hr|hu|ia|ig|id|ie|ik|io|is|it|kaa|ki|kk|kl|kum|kv|kw|ky|la|lb|lez|lt|lv|mg|mh|mi|mk|mo|mt|nb|nds|nl|nn|no|nr|nso|ny|oc|om|os|pl|pt|rm|ro|ru|sah|sco|se|sel|sh|shs|sk|sl|sm|sma|smj|smn|sms|so|sq|sr|ss|st|sv|sw|tg|tk|tl|tn|to|tr|ts|tt|tyv|uk|uz|ve|vi|vo|vot|wa|wen|wo|xh|yap|yo|zu|an|crh|csb|fil|hsb|ht|jv|kj|kr|ku-tr|kwm|lg|li|mn-mn|ms|na|ng|nv|pap-an|pap-aw|qu|quz|rn|rw|sc|sg|sn|su|ty|za(s)
	fontversion: 65536(i)(s)
	capability: "otlayout:DFLT otlayout:cyrl otlayout:grek otlayout:latn"(s)
	fontformat: "TrueType"(s)
	decorative: False(s)
	postscriptname: "Bookerly-Italic"(s)
	color: False(s)
	symbol: False(s)
	variable: False(s)

Pattern has 24 elts (size 32)
	family: "Bookerly"(s)
	familylang: "en"(s)
	style: "Regular"(s)
	stylelang: "en"(s)
	fullname: "Bookerly"(s)
	fullnamelang: "en"(s)
	slant: 0(i)(s)
	weight: 80(f)(s)
	width: 100(f)(s)
	foundry: "DAMA"(s)
	file: "Bookerly-Regular.ttf"(s)
	index: 0(i)(s)
	outline: True(s)
	scalable: True(s)
	charset: 
	0000: 00000000 ffffffff ffffffff 7fffffff 00000000 ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff
	0001: ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff 078ec783 08fdf833 ffffffff ff3fffff
	0002: ffffffff fcfffff2 02c8ffd9 00000101 00040b00 fe000000 3f013fc1 00000000
	0003: 083e9fdf 000363f8 00000034 40300000 ffffd7f0 fffffffb 00ff7fff 00000000
	0004: ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff 003c000c fffffc00 ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff
	001e: ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff 4fffffff ffffffff ffffffff 03ffffff
	001f: 3f3fffff ffffffff aaff3f3f 3fffffff ffffffff ffdfffff efcfffdf 7fdcffff
	0020: ffffffff 5ffdffff 80880398 83f1001f 000003ff 00001098 00000000 00000000
	0021: 4048026b 08004c46 fff80000 ffffffff 003f0000 002c0100 001f0000 00000000
	0022: e7e6bfed 10f00fa9 00002120 00000c33 01e000f8 00000020 00000020 00008000
	0023: 01010f04 00000603 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0000c000 00000000
	0024: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 801ff800
	0025: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 fffcfc03 03009c3f 00008040
	0026: 00000060 1c000000 00000005 0000feff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	0027: 00080000 20000401 02008000 00000000 001ffc00 00040010 00000000 00000000
	002c: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000060 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	00fb: 0000007f 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
	00fe: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 80000000
	00ff: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 30000000
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That was from FW 5.11.2 & 5.12.4, respectively (probably for a PW4, not that it should matter all that much). It's in the stock fonts squashfs inside the rootfs image. I never remember the path, it's the java libdir/fontdir IIRC (EDIT: shell history FTW: /usr/java/lib/fonts.sqsh).

EDIT: I'm quite sure 5.11.2 is *NOT* the exact cutoff version for the "unhinting" update, FWIW. But I was too lazy to look it up ;p.

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Oh, okay, apparently that's just Bookerly V 1.000 . (Latest eInk one is at 1.201, final usable one is 1.020).

I don't even remember *when* it was introduced on eInk, but I'd imagine it should match that .
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From my notes, the last time I looked at the fonts in a Kindle firmware, they lived in rootfs.img.gz\fwo_rootfs.img\usr\java\lib\fonts.sq sh which I unpacked to a fonts folder to play with. I still get a chuckle out of seeing code2000.ttf in there.

Reminder to check why the .sqsh gets split in the sentence above.

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From my notes, the last time I looked at the fonts in a Kindle firmware, they lived in rootfs.img.gz\fwo_rootfs.img\usr\java\lib\fonts.sq sh which I unpacked to a fonts folder to play with. I still get a chuckle out of seeing code2000.ttf in there.

Reminder to check why the .sqsh gets split in the sentence above.
whatever i did was way simpler than that. i am pretty sure that with a fire tablet you just connect it to a PC and windows copy from the fonts directory

for sure, I did not write or download any scripts, code.... to do the job
and I did it soon after bookerly was released, so I probably have the original version and have never upgraded

what has changed since v1 anyway ( apart from maybe adding this thread bug! ) and what is tinting please.
i doubt i will rush to change anything but I may as well understand what I am missing !

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what has changed since v1 anyway ( apart from maybe adding this thread bug! ) and what is tinting please.
Click a quick review of Font hinting on Wikipedia. I've found that generally, I prefer non-hinted fonts on my eInk devices.
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ah- so its Hinting, not Tinting, explains why my google search results were rubbish

is this one of those things where 99% of people cannot see the difference anyway, or is it worth learning about ( I am Ok with how my font looks as at now )
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