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Old 07-20-2014, 09:32 PM   #736
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Before I make changes, I have to properly diagnose the problem. That's why I explained the distinction between the two types of issues and requested clarification.

If it's an actual bug, that's a very serious matter and I need to see why the program isn't working properly. That is - and must be - my top priority.

If it's just a quibble about the output message, then that's an entirely different story. I don't worry about polishing that chrome until I'm sure the engine's running properly; there's no point.

If this is really such an unimaginably vital issue - if the people in this development forum are truly incapable of testing a beta without reading "Stripped spans in X" and understanding that it means "The stripspans routine made changes to X" - then I don't know what to say. For now, wording tweaks are the least of my worries; proper handling of the EPUB does and must take precedence over what the log message says.
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Old 07-20-2014, 09:35 PM   #737
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When I specify just to remove spans, the files do change as it removes the spaces from the header and the body/html at the end of the files. But the message is misleading as it is not removing any spans and the message states that it is removing spans.
So this is a UI complaint, not a bug report. So noted.

Why couldn't you just say that the first time I asked for clarification?
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Old 07-20-2014, 09:36 PM   #738
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So this is a UI complaint, not a bug report. So noted.

Why couldn't you just say that the first time I asked for clarification?
I think it's just a case of a misunderstanding. I'm glad that's been cleared up.
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@Rev. Bob - I use Modify a lot, how would I know if an individual file inside the epub changed unless I open the epub with an archive utility and look at the modify date.
That's one way. Another is to look at the contents of an individual file before and after running the plugin. By design, stripspans makes changes that should not affect what you see when you read the book; unless something goes very wrong, you'll have to dig into the archive to detect those changes.
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Before I make changes, I have to properly diagnose the problem. That's why I explained the distinction between the two types of issues and requested clarification.

If it's an actual bug, that's a very serious matter and I need to see why the program isn't working properly. That is - and must be - my top priority.

If it's just a quibble about the output message, then that's an entirely different story. I don't worry about polishing that chrome until I'm sure the engine's running properly; there's no point.

If this is really such an unimaginably vital issue - if the people in this development forum are truly incapable of testing a beta without reading "Stripped spans in X" and understanding that it means "The stripspans routine made changes to X" - then I don't know what to say. For now, wording tweaks are the least of my worries; proper handling of the EPUB does and must take precedence over what the log message says.
I use the output of the plugin for testing. I use it to check if the spans have been stripped properly. So if the plugin says that the spans have been stripped and which files, I can pick some of the files to have a look at to make sure the spans were correctly removed. But when I go into the files and find there never were any spans removed, it's wasting my time as I look at the original code and the new code to make sure things worked. So what I am doing is comparing the code to check the spans when there's no reason to do so.
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I think it's just a case of a misunderstanding. I'm glad that's been cleared up.
See, the problem is that this:

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So are the files changing or not?
...is a "yes" or "no" question, to which you responded:

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The output says it's stripped spans. The ePub has no spans to be stripped. So the output is incorrect.
...which merely repeated what you'd already said, and is neither a "yes" nor a "no." Compare with this exchange, which is precisely as useful:

A: My computer won't turn on.
B: Is it plugged in?
A: It won't turn on.

When a programmer or diagnostician asks a strictly binary question, nonbinary answers do not help. They may frustrate, obscure, and confuse, but the one thing they do not do is help.
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Old 07-20-2014, 09:53 PM   #742
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I use the output of the plugin for testing. I use it to check if the spans have been stripped properly. So if the plugin says that the spans have been stripped and which files, I can pick some of the files to have a look at to make sure the spans were correctly removed.
I see the problem: you didn't read the docs or my first response to you. Specifically, you missed this:

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Stripspans also has a new tweak: it de-indents the <head> element and all the usual elements inside it, as well as the <body> element (but not its contents).
...as well as this direct response to your initial report:

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Stripspans sends that message whenever it makes any changes to the file. That covers everything from stripping spans to contracting/removing empty elements to de-indenting the <head> section.
For someone as hungry for a finished version of this as you seem to be, you have an odd way of showing it. It seems more like you want me to walk away in disgust and forget the whole thing.
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What I want is the proper output messages. Saying spans are being stripped does not work when no spans are being stripped. Saying the header is being modified when it is works much better.
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What I want is the proper output messages. Saying spans are being stripped does not work when no spans are being stripped. Saying the header is being modified when it is works much better.
Okay, fine. Since you can't seem to grasp the idea of waiting until the end of the debugging process to worry about the exact wording of the "routine X changed file Y" message, I'll move that all the way up to the top of the list.

In fact, I've broken the de-indent bit out into its own little new option, so it's not in stripspans at all any more. Stripspans still contracts and removes empty formatting elements, so <b/> and <i></i> go away, but you know what? "Stripped spans in X" seems to me like a fine way to cover that functionality in addition to the strict removal of <span> elements. If you don't like it, deal with it until we're sure all the bugs are worked out, then feel free to suggest an alternate wording if you like. As I've said before, let's worry about getting the engine running correctly before polishing the chrome.

The new "de-indent" option is --unpretty (since it's the opposite of calibre's Beautify HTML in many ways), and it does the following:

- Removes tabs and other whitespace before HTML lines.
- Adds newlines after block-level elements.
- Adds a second newline after P, OL, UL, and H1-H6 elements.

In other words, it "straightens up" HTML, but without all the bloody indents. Note that this operation is not safe for files containing PRE elements, so the plugin skips any such file (and says so). The one thing that it doesn't do that I'd like to add is an "unwrap paragraphs" feature, which would remove linefeeds within paragraphs, but that winds up being a bit complicated for a quick afternoon fix.

EDIT, 7pm EDT: The unpretty algorithm has been updated. Nothing in stripspans or stripkobo has changed from the 5:20pm version.
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Old 07-22-2014, 01:07 AM   #746
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I have had a play and it is working well. Strangely, I find I like the un-pretty option. And it doesn't do any real harm as I can press the pretty button in the editor if I need to.

I did notice one problem with it. Sometimes the first tag after the body was still indented. Mostly this was a h2, but I did find a paragraph as well.

Another thing that occurred to me was what if someone added a style for "span"? This would be used for classless spans. Removing them would lose formatting. Of course, it would be a stupid thing to do. I style p and the heading tags directly, but a span or div would be a bad idea.

The only other thing is that the dialog is unbalanced. I had a play, but I couldn't come up with a layout I was completely happy with. I did make changes to dialog.py to make fiddling with this easier. I'll send you a link to this so you can try.
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I did notice one problem with it. Sometimes the first tag after the body was still indented. Mostly this was a h2, but I did find a paragraph as well.
Hmm. Got a code sample I can test with?

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Another thing that occurred to me was what if someone added a style for "span"? This would be used for classless spans. Removing them would lose formatting. Of course, it would be a stupid thing to do. I style p and the heading tags directly, but a span or div would be a bad idea.
That is a possibility, granted...but there's really no way to check for it in the plugin. That's just one of those places where keeping a backup is always wise.

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The only other thing is that the dialog is unbalanced. I had a play, but I couldn't come up with a layout I was completely happy with. I did make changes to dialog.py to make fiddling with this easier. I'll send you a link to this so you can try.
I think that's something I'd rather leave to kiwidude, since the divisions are his categories. Also, there's the whole "handle the chrome last" thing; I'm much more comfortable with getting the code right and having kiwidude decide he'd like to rejigger the GUI than I am with inventing the perfect GUI for a plugin that butchers code.
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Hmm. Got a code sample I can test with?
I have attached tow examples. "Last Line of screen 1 - David Forrester.epub" is a single chapter that has a pile of paragraphs. The other has several chapters with different heading levels as the first tag inside the body. In both, the first tag is still indented.

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I think that's something I'd rather leave to kiwidude, since the divisions are his categories. Also, there's the whole "handle the chrome last" thing; I'm much more comfortable with getting the code right and having kiwidude decide he'd like to rejigger the GUI than I am with inventing the perfect GUI for a plugin that butchers code.
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I have attached tow examples. "Last Line of screen 1 - David Forrester.epub" is a single chapter that has a pile of paragraphs. The other has several chapters with different heading levels as the first tag inside the body. In both, the first tag is still indented.
I just tested both of those, and I'm not seeing those results. Did you perhaps get the 5:20 version of the code instead of the 7:06 version that updated the unpretty routine? I know one person did...

Just in case the error's on my side - maybe the reupload mixed something up - here's the correct, up-to-date beta.

Edit: Removed this now-outdated beta; see below.
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Found a glitch in the stripkobo routine that I thought I'd already patched, but it led me to a more robust fix anyway. The attached file includes that fix and the earlier updates to the unpretty routine.

Edit: Another couple of hours, another revision. See post 752 below.
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