GOODEREADER announces crowd-funded 'ULTIMATE 6" EINK READER'! - Page 20

tubemonkey · 03-18-2016, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by murg

I think that in this case, they'll discover that size doesn't matter.

Size certainly matters when it comes to plugs

John Hopper · 03-19-2016, 05:40 AM

It is both amusing and annoying that they are claiming that "everyone" has been clamouring for a 13.3" device. When the Ultimate Reader was proposed, some people though an 8 inch device would be better, but I don't recall a mass clamour for a 13.3" one. For most types of reading, that is just too large. The screen on the device in their video looks good, but the price at nearly £500 is far too high for me to consider it anyway.

Nate the great · 03-19-2016, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AnemicOak

Here's the campaign link, $699 US plus shipping...
http://goodereader.com/blog/electron...-inch-e-reader
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/1...oid-e-reader#/

Onyx?

So basically an Onyx Boox Max?

Yes, only this one is from Taiwan-based Netronix. I recognize it.

HarryT · 03-19-2016, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Nate the great

Yes, only this one is from Taiwan-based Netronix. I recognize it.

Netronix are owned by eInk, I believe, so it's presumably the same screen that the Onyx uses.

Nate the great · 03-19-2016, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Netronix are owned by eInk, I believe, so it's presumably the same screen that the Onyx uses.

Same screen, yes.

But Netronix is not owned by E-ink, not unless it was bought at some point and the deal was never announced.

HarryT · 03-19-2016, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nate the great

But Netronix is not owned by E-ink, not unless it was bought at some point and the deal was never announced.

My mistake. I was thinking of this joint venture between Netronix and E-Ink.

kacir · 03-19-2016, 11:45 AM

Their page has just been slashdotted,
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/...d-e-ink-reader
So there is real chance they get those 60 sucke^H^H^H^H^Hbackers.

Only then the fun begins. They will have to deliver.
Let's get some popcorn

Purple Lady · 03-19-2016, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kacir

Their page has just been slashdotted,
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/...d-e-ink-reader
So there is real chance they get those 60 sucke^H^H^H^H^Hbackers.

Only then the fun begins. They will have to deliver.
Let's get some popcorn

This points to a Teleread post that seems to be saying that backing the project is a good idea. I guess you can't trust Teleread either.

Nate the great · 03-19-2016, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Lady

This points to a Teleread post that seems to be saying that backing the project is a good idea. I guess you can't trust Teleread either.

Nope.

You'd think David would have learned from the last campaign, but no.

tnforpaul45 · 03-19-2016, 01:53 PM

I like the overall idea of something like this. But from skimming through the posts in this thread, GoodEReader's previous campaign was something of a failure. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.

I think releasing this prototype with what looks like an almost stock-android is a mistake. Those animations and refreshes are like a psychedelic nightmare as the eInk screen races to catch up to the graphics display. There are a couple ways to handle this programmatically and to make the device feel a lot faster. PDF is the elephant in the room unfortunately, and like Flash, it is a widely-adopted, sub-optimal Adobe innovation.

The scary thing about this is that Sony's DPT-1 is already out, and for a company like Sony, lowering their price from $799 to $650 would be nothing to them, and instantly put this effort out of business (if someone has already stated this, then I agree with you!). Thus, the "market research?" comment I saw earlier.

I like the spirit of this but not the execution.

JSWolf · 03-19-2016, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by murg

the Good Reader people

That's GoodEReader (or as they are also known BadEReader).

HarryT · 03-19-2016, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tnforpaul45

The scary thing about this is that Sony's DPT-1 is already out, and for a company like Sony, lowering their price from $799 to $650 would be nothing to them, and instantly put this effort out of business (if someone has already stated this, then I agree with you!). Thus, the "market research?" comment I saw earlier.

The Sony is a completely different device, aimed at a different market. It's not a generic Android device. You can't install apps on it.

tnforpaul45 · 03-19-2016, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

The Sony is a completely different device, aimed at a different market. It's not a generic Android device. You can't install apps on it.

Ah, but installing apps is not the primary functionality and use of the GER13.3, but a side benefit of its architecture.

Both are marketed as a 13.3" eReader and note taking / annotation device, and trying to break into a nice market already supplied by a major manufacturer with an implementation that's not as well refined (and is a Nettronix device, actually) is verrrrry risky. The major manufacturer can put you out of business in a day, happens all the time.

The key innovation with a device like this is the software: It has to be novel, faster, and more use-able than the Sony, and this easily demonstrated to the technical/legal/medical consumer, who is the primary market for a device like this.

Android apps run better on a tablet, and the broad consumer base wants color, animations, and speed, all things that are missing on eReader devices like this. App compatibility should be dropped and focus put on trimming the OS down to the bare minimum, and optimizing it, and working on "interim" animations to prevent the swirl of eInk refresh that accompanies zooming currently on this device.

HarryT · 03-19-2016, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tnforpaul45

Ah, but installing apps is not the primary functionality and use of the GER13.3, but a side benefit of its architecture.

Both are marketed as a 13.3" eReader and note taking / annotation device, and trying to break into a nice market already supplied by a major manufacturer with an implementation that's not as well refined (and is a Nettronix device, actually) is verrrrry risky. The major manufacturer can put you out of business in a day, happens all the time.

But most people who want a reading device will want to be able to read formats such as ePub or Kindle books on it, which you can't do on the Sony. The Sony is not a generic reading device, but a dedicated PDF reader. It's not a competitor. The Onyx is the competitor, not the Sony.

Barty · 03-19-2016, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by murg

And, once again, a flexible campaign, so they get to keep the money if they don't reach their goal.

Think of Indiegogo as Moneygonegone.

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03-19-2016, 05:40 AM	#287
John Hopper Addict Posts: 361 Karma: 1179724 Join Date: Nov 2015 Device: Kindle Voyage	It is both amusing and annoying that they are claiming that "everyone" has been clamouring for a 13.3" device. When the Ultimate Reader was proposed, some people though an 8 inch device would be better, but I don't recall a mass clamour for a 13.3" one. For most types of reading, that is just too large. The screen on the device in their video looks good, but the price at nearly £500 is far too high for me to consider it anyway.

03-19-2016, 11:45 AM	#292
kacir Wizard Posts: 3,463 Karma: 10684861 Join Date: May 2006 Device: PocketBook 360, before it was Sony Reader, cassiopeia A-20	Their page has just been slashdotted, https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/...d-e-ink-reader So there is real chance they get those 60 sucke^H^H^H^H^Hbackers. Only then the fun begins. They will have to deliver. Let's get some popcorn

03-19-2016, 01:53 PM	#295
tnforpaul45 Zealot Posts: 109 Karma: 1196756 Join Date: Sep 2012 Device: Kobo Glo, Kindle DX	I like the overall idea of something like this. But from skimming through the posts in this thread, GoodEReader's previous campaign was something of a failure. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me. I think releasing this prototype with what looks like an almost stock-android is a mistake. Those animations and refreshes are like a psychedelic nightmare as the eInk screen races to catch up to the graphics display. There are a couple ways to handle this programmatically and to make the device feel a lot faster. PDF is the elephant in the room unfortunately, and like Flash, it is a widely-adopted, sub-optimal Adobe innovation. The scary thing about this is that Sony's DPT-1 is already out, and for a company like Sony, lowering their price from $799 to $650 would be nothing to them, and instantly put this effort out of business (if someone has already stated this, then I agree with you!). Thus, the "market research?" comment I saw earlier. I like the spirit of this but not the execution.

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