Protectedpdf on Iliad

TamaraSJ · 05-15-2007, 02:26 PM

Hello.... I'm kinda new to this. I own a Sony eReader and recently decided to purchase an Iliad because of the wireless connection and note functionality (size was a plus as well). I'm currently in school and all of my books are in Protectedpdf pdf format. I realize this is DRM (which I hate), but with this type of protection I just have to login and it checks a site to verify my credentials. I was hoping with the wireless connection (and the ability to enter text from a keyboard) on the Iliad that I may actually be able to read my school books. This; however, does not work.

Does anyone have any thoughts on how this might be possible?

Hopeful..... Tamara

vranghel · 05-15-2007, 03:06 PM

I am a non-dev and non-expert, so this is just my personal opinion: This is a function that iRex will have to implement. There are licences involved and it has to be done via official ways.

We will just have to wait (or ask) if iRex will support DRM'ed PDF's

TamaraSJ · 05-15-2007, 03:13 PM

I knew that normal DRM protection would not work without special programming, but since this actually just goes to a website to verify the authentication, I thougth maybe it would just work since the Iliad technically has an Internet connection.

I actually think it would work if I could just type on the first page of the document and then submit.

This is the part where Iliad may have to do some programming, but I thought maybe someone else may have crossed this and found a solution.

Tamara

-Matt- · 05-15-2007, 03:29 PM

Out of interest...are you permitted to print the protected PDFs? If so couldn't you 'print' them to another (unprotected) PDF file using software such as (http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ ) and then load this file....? I'm sure there's probably some obvious error in this method (other than the extra time involved) and if so sorry just ignore me

, just wondered if it was even feasible.

dodowolf · 05-15-2007, 03:50 PM

Is your school using FileOpen plugin? I think iRex has to work with all the content (solution) providers for a while to settle these DRM issues. I'll definitely like to read DRM materials on iLiad, but I am more keen to have DRM-less books to read, for DRM simply doesn't seem right for me. ( I want to BUY the book, and able to lend the book to others )

TamaraSJ · 05-15-2007, 03:59 PM

I 100% agree on the DRM-less world.

Unfortunately, with this particular material, I don't have an option. This is what the school provides and it happens to use this new form of DRM protection. I've tried to find ways to hack it (I was able to with some other forms of DRM the school used to use) with no success.

Tamara

ig88 · 05-15-2007, 09:41 PM

Have you tried printing the PDF to a new PDF file from your computer first? Mac OS X can print directly to PDF from any print dialog box, and there are several free utilities for Windows boxes.

scotty1024 · 05-16-2007, 04:34 AM

Mac OS X now checks for and respects DRM during printing so that trick no longer works.

I've stomped around the Poppler library (the open source PDF software iRex employs to view PDF's) and submitted small bits of code to the project. If you upload a PDF to http://www.rapidshare.com and PM me the link I'll see if Poppler can be easily modified to submit the access request.

TamaraSJ · 05-16-2007, 09:32 AM

Thanks Scott.... I've uploaded the file to RapidShare as you requested. Please let me know if you are able to do anything with it.

I have tried printing this straight to .pdf and it doesn't work. In fact, I can't even print out the entire book at one time because of the DRM.

Thanks for any help....

TamaraSJ · 05-16-2007, 11:47 AM

Scotty..... I uploaded the file to RapidShare but for some reason when I try to post with the link the post does not show up.

The file is located at rapidshare.com

and then files/31620891/Human_Resource_Strategy_-__Dreher___Doherty.pdf

I'm not sure how else to put this in here and get it to post. I'm assuming it must be something with my account on this forum and posting a link. Not sure. I'm quite new to this forum.

Thanks for any help you can provide..... Tamara

Adam B. · 05-16-2007, 12:07 PM

It looks like the text is simply hidden behind the image. I'm able to do a select all in evince copy/paste it to a document, but then you loose all the formatting...

TamaraSJ · 05-16-2007, 12:15 PM

Yeah, I have tried that as well, but the loss of formatting kinda stinks.

Were you able to copy and paste without logging in to the pdf?

Tamara

Adam B. · 05-16-2007, 12:24 PM

I don't have a login, so no, sure didn't.

Also, pdf2html works in linux as well... again with the formatting issues though.

templario · 05-16-2007, 12:57 PM

The desktop mobipocket reader converts it to the mobipocket format without problems, and i can read all the pages in the computer as any other document, i can´t try the mobipocket file in the Iliad now, but i suppose it should work. I hope this helps.

Jose

edit: there is no pictures, and no footnotes, so i guess it is not the solution

TamaraSJ · 05-16-2007, 01:00 PM

Thanks Templario, I will give that a try here at work and then upload to the Iliad tonight. That will be great if it works.

I honestly never thought to try that, such a simple solution if it works.

05-15-2007, 02:26 PM	#1
TamaraSJ Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wisconsin, US Device: Iliad, iPAQ, Sony eReader	Protectedpdf on Iliad Hello.... I'm kinda new to this. I own a Sony eReader and recently decided to purchase an Iliad because of the wireless connection and note functionality (size was a plus as well). I'm currently in school and all of my books are in Protectedpdf pdf format. I realize this is DRM (which I hate), but with this type of protection I just have to login and it checks a site to verify my credentials. I was hoping with the wireless connection (and the ability to enter text from a keyboard) on the Iliad that I may actually be able to read my school books. This; however, does not work. Does anyone have any thoughts on how this might be possible? Hopeful..... Tamara

05-15-2007, 03:13 PM	#3
TamaraSJ Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wisconsin, US Device: Iliad, iPAQ, Sony eReader	Thanks I knew that normal DRM protection would not work without special programming, but since this actually just goes to a website to verify the authentication, I thougth maybe it would just work since the Iliad technically has an Internet connection. I actually think it would work if I could just type on the first page of the document and then submit. This is the part where Iliad may have to do some programming, but I thought maybe someone else may have crossed this and found a solution. Tamara

05-16-2007, 12:57 PM	#14
templario Connoisseur Posts: 86 Karma: 10 Join Date: Dec 2006 Device: Iliad	The desktop mobipocket reader converts it to the mobipocket format without problems, and i can read all the pages in the computer as any other document, i can´t try the mobipocket file in the Iliad now, but i suppose it should work. I hope this helps. Jose edit: there is no pictures, and no footnotes, so i guess it is not the solution Last edited by templario; 05-16-2007 at 12:59 PM.

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05-15-2007, 03:06 PM	#2
vranghel Addict Posts: 285 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Device: Proud Iliad owner	I am a non-dev and non-expert, so this is just my personal opinion: This is a function that iRex will have to implement. There are licences involved and it has to be done via official ways. We will just have to wait (or ask) if iRex will support DRM'ed PDF's

05-15-2007, 03:29 PM	#4
-Matt- Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2007	Out of interest...are you permitted to print the protected PDFs? If so couldn't you 'print' them to another (unprotected) PDF file using software such as (http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ ) and then load this file....? I'm sure there's probably some obvious error in this method (other than the extra time involved) and if so sorry just ignore me , just wondered if it was even feasible.

05-15-2007, 03:50 PM	#5
dodowolf Member Posts: 12 Karma: 10 Join Date: Feb 2007 Device: iRex iLiad	Is your school using FileOpen plugin? I think iRex has to work with all the content (solution) providers for a while to settle these DRM issues. I'll definitely like to read DRM materials on iLiad, but I am more keen to have DRM-less books to read, for DRM simply doesn't seem right for me. ( I want to BUY the book, and able to lend the book to others )

05-15-2007, 03:59 PM	#6
TamaraSJ Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wisconsin, US Device: Iliad, iPAQ, Sony eReader	I 100% agree on the DRM-less world. Unfortunately, with this particular material, I don't have an option. This is what the school provides and it happens to use this new form of DRM protection. I've tried to find ways to hack it (I was able to with some other forms of DRM the school used to use) with no success. Tamara

05-15-2007, 09:41 PM	#7
ig88 Gadget Guy Posts: 76 Karma: 84 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Minnesota Device: iLiad - iPhone - OSX	Have you tried printing the PDF to a new PDF file from your computer first? Mac OS X can print directly to PDF from any print dialog box, and there are several free utilities for Windows boxes.

05-16-2007, 04:34 AM	#8
scotty1024 Banned Posts: 1,300 Karma: 1479 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Washington Device: Reader / iPhone / Librie / Kindle	Mac OS X now checks for and respects DRM during printing so that trick no longer works. I've stomped around the Poppler library (the open source PDF software iRex employs to view PDF's) and submitted small bits of code to the project. If you upload a PDF to http://www.rapidshare.com and PM me the link I'll see if Poppler can be easily modified to submit the access request.

05-16-2007, 09:32 AM	#9
TamaraSJ Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wisconsin, US Device: Iliad, iPAQ, Sony eReader	Thanks Scott.... I've uploaded the file to RapidShare as you requested. Please let me know if you are able to do anything with it. I have tried printing this straight to .pdf and it doesn't work. In fact, I can't even print out the entire book at one time because of the DRM. Thanks for any help....

05-16-2007, 11:47 AM	#10
TamaraSJ Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wisconsin, US Device: Iliad, iPAQ, Sony eReader	Scotty..... I uploaded the file to RapidShare but for some reason when I try to post with the link the post does not show up. The file is located at rapidshare.com and then files/31620891/Human_Resource_Strategy_-__Dreher___Doherty.pdf I'm not sure how else to put this in here and get it to post. I'm assuming it must be something with my account on this forum and posting a link. Not sure. I'm quite new to this forum. Thanks for any help you can provide..... Tamara

05-16-2007, 12:07 PM	#11
Adam B. Addicted to Porting Posts: 1,697 Karma: 7194 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN Device: iRex iLiad, Nokia 770, Samsung i760	It looks like the text is simply hidden behind the image. I'm able to do a select all in evince copy/paste it to a document, but then you loose all the formatting...

05-16-2007, 12:15 PM	#12
TamaraSJ Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wisconsin, US Device: Iliad, iPAQ, Sony eReader	Yeah, I have tried that as well, but the loss of formatting kinda stinks. Were you able to copy and paste without logging in to the pdf? Tamara

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05-16-2007, 12:24 PM	#13
Adam B. Addicted to Porting Posts: 1,697 Karma: 7194 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN Device: iRex iLiad, Nokia 770, Samsung i760	I don't have a login, so no, sure didn't. Also, pdf2html works in linux as well... again with the formatting issues though.

05-16-2007, 01:00 PM	#15
TamaraSJ Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wisconsin, US Device: Iliad, iPAQ, Sony eReader	Thanks Templario, I will give that a try here at work and then upload to the Iliad tonight. That will be great if it works. I honestly never thought to try that, such a simple solution if it works.