What character is this?

1v4n0 · 05-29-2022, 02:18 PM

Hello, I'm making an ePub and I don't know what character the letter in apex in this image is.

DNSB · 05-29-2022, 03:29 PM

Looks close to a superscripted Georgian Letter Man character ( მ 0x10DB ). Ghod alone knows what it actually is.

jhowell · 05-29-2022, 03:51 PM

It looks to me like text from an OCR that recognized the other letters in the word and just used the original image of the character for one it didn’t recognize. In that case it might be the letter “d”.

Jellby · 05-30-2022, 12:51 PM

It's almost the symbol of the year

https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+2202

Whether or not that's what was intended, that's a different matter.

mobidict · 05-31-2022, 01:00 PM

It's the partial derivative sign: ∂

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%88%82

Turtle91 · 05-31-2022, 01:26 PM

I’d agree with jhowell’s assessment as to the cause… perhaps do a spelling check of the ePub and see what words show up that are similar to “bar_sman”

Tex2002ans · 06-06-2022, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

It's almost the symbol of the year

https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+2202

Yes, this is exactly what I was going to say too. Partial Derivative:

∂ (U+2202) PARTIAL DIFFERENTIAL

If you give more context (like the sentence/paragraph), maybe we could guess a bit better.

Does it appear anywhere else in the book?

What language is the book?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

Whether or not that's what was intended, that's a different matter.

Yeah, could be an actual typo, or a copy/paste error or something. Maybe they thought it was a little apostrophe and it slipped by the editor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhowell

It looks to me like text from an OCR that recognized the other letters in the word and just used the original image of the character for one it didn’t recognize. In that case it might be the letter “d”.

Hmmm, this may also be the case too. An italic, lowercase "d", that accidentally got recognized.

If you're working on a mathematical text, that may be possible.

Martinoptic · 06-07-2022, 03:58 AM

Could it be a mis-OCR’d “dh” making the word bardhman?
Edit: do you have the original to compare with?

1v4n0 · 06-13-2022, 10:26 AM

Thank you everyone. I checked again and it's probably not an error. See attachment for more context. Your suggestions seem fine with me anyway.

jhowell · 06-13-2022, 10:37 AM

Based on that text it looks to me like the word should be "baresman".

PeterT · 06-13-2022, 11:51 AM

See https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/barsom-av

barəsman

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Jellby · 06-13-2022, 03:36 PM

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barsom (and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avestan_phonology for the difference between e and ə, my guess)

Tex2002ans · 06-13-2022, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1v4n0

Thank you everyone. I checked again and it's probably not an error. See attachment for more context.

Thanks for that whole paragraph. Surrounding context really helps.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterT

See https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/barsom-av

barəsman

Yep! That's it!

They may have copied/pasted it from somewhere else, and the "upside-down 'e'" character got botched.

The Unicode character is:

ə = U+0259 = LATIN SMALL LETTER SCHWA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barsom (and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avestan_phonology for the difference between e and ə, my guess)

Thanks for those links. Very interesting stuff.

Side Note: If you're learning about language in that area of the world, you may be interested in this podcast episode:

Lexicon Valley: "What Do They Speak in Afghanistan?"

Doitsu · 06-13-2022, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex2002ans

They may have copied/pasted it from somewhere else, and the "upside-down 'e'" character got botched.

They most likely used ᵊ (U+1D4A) MODIFIER LETTER SMALL SCHWA: barᵊsman

Tex2002ans · 06-13-2022, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doitsu

They most likely used ᵊ (U+1D4A) MODIFIER LETTER SMALL SCHWA: barᵊsman

Yep, you've convinced me. This is the character.

Some fonts also have a different-looking 'ᵊ' that looks like a partial differential, especially when they're in italic:

"Times New Roman" Italic ᵊ

05-29-2022, 02:18 PM	#1
1v4n0 Groupie Posts: 173 Karma: 40000 Join Date: Oct 2013 Device: kindle	What character is this? Hello, I'm making an ePub and I don't know what character the letter in apex in this image is. Attached Thumbnails

06-13-2022, 10:26 AM	#9
1v4n0 Groupie Posts: 173 Karma: 40000 Join Date: Oct 2013 Device: kindle	Thank you everyone. I checked again and it's probably not an error. See attachment for more context. Your suggestions seem fine with me anyway. Attached Thumbnails

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DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 46,155 Karma: 168983734 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Libra Colour, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	Looks close to a superscripted Georgian Letter Man character ( მ 0x10DB ). Ghod alone knows what it actually is.

05-29-2022, 03:51 PM	#3
jhowell Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,069 Karma: 91577715 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Charlottesville, VA Device: Kindles	It looks to me like text from an OCR that recognized the other letters in the word and just used the original image of the character for one it didn’t recognize. In that case it might be the letter “d”.

05-30-2022, 12:51 PM	#4
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,548 Karma: 19500001 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	It's almost the symbol of the year https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+2202 Whether or not that's what was intended, that's a different matter.

05-31-2022, 01:00 PM	#5
mobidict Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2022 Device: Kindle Paperwhite 3 7th Gen	It's the partial derivative sign: ∂ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%88%82

05-31-2022, 01:26 PM	#6
Turtle91 A Hairy Wizard Posts: 3,347 Karma: 20171571 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Charleston, SC today Device: iPhone 15/11/X/6/iPad 1,2,Air & Air Pro/Surface Pro/Kindle PW & Fire	I’d agree with jhowell’s assessment as to the cause… perhaps do a spelling check of the ePub and see what words show up that are similar to “bar_sman”

06-07-2022, 03:58 AM	#8
Martinoptic Bibliophist Posts: 7,003 Karma: 7173892 Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: England Device: none	Could it be a mis-OCR’d “dh” making the word bardhman? Edit: do you have the original to compare with?

06-13-2022, 10:37 AM	#10
jhowell Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,069 Karma: 91577715 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Charlottesville, VA Device: Kindles	Based on that text it looks to me like the word should be "baresman".

06-13-2022, 11:51 AM	#11
PeterT Grand Sorcerer Posts: 13,505 Karma: 78910112 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto Device: Libra H2O, Libra Colour	See https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/barsom-av barəsman Sent from my Pixel 4a using Tapatalk

06-13-2022, 03:36 PM	#12
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,548 Karma: 19500001 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barsom (and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avestan_phonology for the difference between e and ə, my guess)

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