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Old 10-29-2021, 04:29 AM   #1
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KDP unload, then Kindle Preview

The option to upload mobi is gone a while ago. For ordinary reflowable ebooks that Amazon gives out in Mobi (KF7), azw2/KF8 or KFX format the best upload is epub2. The MS docx format is the second-best.

I just noticed that downloading a file direct to preview on a Kindle after upload processing is gone. You either preview on the Internet Web page or they suggest download of the Kindle Previewer (which has no Linux version?) and they offer an HTML download.

Except the ‘HTML Download’ is Zip file.

Previewing inside it after download revealed what looked a bit like an epub, so I renamed the <downloaded name>.zip file to <downloaded name>.epub and it opens fine in Calibre's standalone ebook viewer on Linux.

So no need to fire up the VM with a copy of windows and install Kindle Previewer?

Actually when we use an entirely new style or HTML construct we make a dual mobi and test on three different Kindles, one only does KF7. Then we do a purchase of mobi version and azw3 versions by using accounts with suitable kindles. We gave up testing KFX because if the KF8 is OK, the KFX will be too (See also epub2 vs kobo kepub; we don't test kepub).

Obviously this is a recent change and how reliable is the idea of simple rename of .zip to .epub and using an epub viewer rather than Kindle Previewer?

Does this also suggest rename of .epub to .zip and ‘Send to Kindle’ via email will work to get an azw3/KF8 version on later Kindles?

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The .zip download renamed to .epub loaded fine into the Calibre Editor and passed Book Check and Epub Check.

Title should be KDP upload, then Kindle Preview

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I just noticed that downloading a file direct to preview on a Kindle after upload processing is gone. You either preview on the Internet Web page or they suggest download of the Kindle Previewer (which has no Linux version?) and they offer an HTML download.
That's right. The Kindle Previewer is Windows and Mac only. The command line interface can be made to run under Wine but not the GUI, so it can perform conversions but not do actual previewing under Linux.

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Except the ‘HTML Download’ is Zip file.

Previewing inside it after download revealed what looked a bit like an epub, so I renamed the <downloaded name>.zip file to <downloaded name>.epub and it opens fine in Calibre's standalone ebook viewer on Linux.
The file is structured like an EPUB but if you uploaded a Word document for your book then the resulting file will be missing several required items needed to meet the EPUB standard, so I would call it EPUBish. Changing the extension to .epub allows it to be opened in the calibre viewer, however attempting to open it in the calibre editor will fail.

Amazon's instructions for dealing with the downloaded preview file are incomplete to the point of being wrong:

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To view your book directly on your Kindle or by using the Kindle Previewer, follow the instructions below. For the best viewing experience, we recommend using Kindle Previewer. Download Kindle Previewer
  1. Download your converted book file: HTML
  2. To preview on your computer, download Kindle Previewer and open your book in the tool.
  3. To preview on your Kindle, send your book file to your Send-to-Kindle email address. If trying to view MOBI or other files, you can export those formats using Kindle Previewer. Learn more
From this description you might believe that you can just open the downloaded preview zip file in Kindle Previewer or email it to a Kindle. That is not true. The Previewer will refuse to open a zip file and emailing it will send each HTML and image file contained within the zip to the Kindle as a separate book.

You need to click the "Learn More" link in order to get proper instructions:

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To send a different file such as MOBI to your device:
  1. Download the HTML of your converted book in the Preview on your Kindle device dropdown.
  2. This will download a .ZIP file to your computer, rename this .ZIP file to a .EPUB. Follow these instructions on how to rename your file for Mac or Windows.
  3. Open the .EPUB file on the Kindle Previewer. The Kindle Previewer will start converting your file, once it finishes you will be able to preview your book.
  4. On the Kindle Previewer menu, click File > Export and save this file as type: Books(.mobi) - to sideload on older Kindle devices (*.mobi).
  5. Once the export is completed you will get an export successful alert.
  6. You can also send the mobi exported to your Send-to-Kindle-e-mail address to view on your Kindle. Learn more about sending files to Kindle via email.
So you actually need to rename the zip file to .epub (as you discovered) and convert to MOBI using the Previewer before emailing.

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Obviously this is a recent change and how reliable is the idea of simple rename of .zip to .epub and using an epub viewer rather than Kindle Previewer?
Not very reliable in my opinion.

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Does this also suggest rename of .epub to .zip and ‘Send to Kindle’ via email will work to get an azw3/KF8 version on later Kindles?
That won't work, as I mentioned above.

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The .zip download renamed to .epub loaded fine into the Calibre Editor and passed Book Check and Epub Check.
I believe that this only worked for you because you started with a properly formatted EPUB as the source. I am curious how the downloaded zip file differs from the original EPUB that you uploaded. (I tried uploading an EPUB and got back an identical file as the preview zip.)

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I like the online previewer as it currently exists. I see no reason to use Kindle Previewer 3.x at all.
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I believe that this only worked for you because you started with a properly formatted EPUB as the source. I am curious how the downloaded zip file differs from the original EPUB that you uploaded. (I tried uploading an EPUB and got back an identical file as the preview zip.)
I'll check later if it's been changed. It seems particularly pointless if it's the same. But I guess then the preview is now then only use for docx upload. Before it the preview download was some sort of dual mobi, at least at one stage. I never ever sent that mobi to Amazon for a Kindle, I just USB transferred it.

Amazon recommended to me that a known "correct" epub2 was the best to upload to KDP and better than docx. At the time, with no change here, the docx uploads stopped working properly because all the page breaks were getting removed. Amazon couldn't figure it and when I said my epub2 was perfect they wrote I should have been uploading that and not the docx. Indeed the KF8 and KFX from uploaded epub (test purchases!) and the mobi KF7 identical results to our locally created one.

So really then there is no preview file being offered. A web view is not a practical proof medium and the so called Kindle Previewer is actually taking an epub2 and converting it and no assurance that it's the same result as a retail Kindle customer gets.

This means there is now no point to downloading a preview when you upload a verified epub2. We run Book Check, Epub Check, test all the links & TOC in Calibre Viewer and also if new styles are used we test on three kinds of real eink Kindle (KF7, and Kindle and Publisher Fonts mode of KF8), Lithium on Android, Aldiko on 4.3" Android, Sony 5" PRS350 and two models of Kobo.
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I like the online previewer as it currently exists. I see no reason to use Kindle Previewer 3.x at all.
Preview in a browser would at best simulate a Kindle app? Unless there is a file you can test on real kindles what is it really telling you?

I guess if we do anything new as well as the local test of Calibre to real kindles from epub version, we do a test purchase. Why there is no free download to the publisher like Smashwords has (for every version available to customers) is a mystery.
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This means there is now no point to downloading a preview when you upload a verified epub2.
Agreed.

This whole download to preview thing seems to have been incredibly poorly thought out. They call it an HTML file. It downloads as a ZIP file. And to use it following Amazon's instructions you need to rename it to be an EPUB file. Who came with that workflow?
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They call it an HTML file. It downloads as a ZIP file. And to use it following Amazon's instructions you need to rename it to be an EPUB file.
Technically an epub is a zip file with a bunch of HTML files. But other stuff too.

Any decent archive program will extract all the files if you rename an epub to zip. Handy to get the lovely illustrations out of a Gutenberg download.

They are bonkers. It's only a sort of preview if you only have docx and are clueless about ebooks.

I immediately suspected it was an epub rather than just HTML when the alleged downloaded zip was peered at by engrampa. So I renamed, and voila, it loaded and passed in epub editor and worked in viewer.
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Any decent archive program will extract all the files if you rename an epub to zip.
Any really decent archive program doesn't care what the filename extension is.
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The whole download-to-preview thing made sense in the days when you could download a MOBI file and then sideload or email it to a device and get something that would render the same as the final published book. That just isn't possible any more.

Personally I think they should just drop download-to-preview and replace it with something better. it would make much more sense to be able to put a book through the whole conversion process and then push it to your Amazon account as a private book that you could download and view on your own Kindle apps and devices just as if you had purchased a finished and published book. That would allow the book to be seen in all of the various formats and flavors before releasing it. The downside would be the need for the publisher to have various Kindle apps and devices to test with.
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Any really decent archive program doesn't care what the filename extension is.
True, it doesn't, but it's simpler to select an archive program when right clicking on a zip named file.

Of course years ago for reasons I never understood, MS decided to hide file name extensions by default in explorer even though they decide on Windows what happens. Linux/Unix/BSD and MacOS can often do the right thing even if the extension is deleted, but not if it's the wrong extension (see magic numbers). However I downloaded an ebook from Amazon recently and it wouldn't open in Calibre till I renamed it from .azw to .mobi, but other azw (separate to azw3 files) files open.

It's annoying in LibreOffice Writer that on the preview window of recent documents that it hides the extension as I only edit .odt and most checked files have also a .docx version saved. I have to hover mouse to see full file name.
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it would make much more sense to be able to put a book through the whole conversion process and then push it to your Amazon account as a private book
Which Smashwords does. You can actually download ANY version/revision.
Exactly what I said earlier.

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that you could download and view on your own Kindle apps and devices just as if you had purchased a finished and published book. That would allow the book to be seen in all of the various formats and flavors before releasing it. The downside would be the need for the publisher to have various Kindle apps and devices to test with.
Anyone seriously producing ebooks does test anything using new formatting on the KF7, KF8 Amazon default and KF8 Publisher option, some apps and some epub eink ereaders before they upload to KDP anyway!

If it's just using tried and tested styles, HTML, and Images then just Book Check, Epub Check, Check all TOC entries on a viewer and all links/footnotes etc on a viewer and quick check on one eink is enough.

Images of new sizes might need more testing.

The only point at all for a publisher using epub2 upload to KDP is to see Amazon's conversion. Which is why even when there was a more real preview file that could load on a real kindle we did test purchases of KF7 (mobi) and KF8 (azw3) for two different Kindles. Seems that is now more important if we change any recipe anywhere.

Wonder what @Hitch thinks?
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Which Smashwords does. You can actually download ANY version/revision.
Exactly what I said earlier.


Anyone seriously producing ebooks does test anything using new formatting on the KF7, KF8 Amazon default and KF8 Publisher option, some apps and some epub eink ereaders before they upload to KDP anyway!

If it's just using tried and tested styles, HTML, and Images then just Book Check, Epub Check, Check all TOC entries on a viewer and all links/footnotes etc on a viewer and quick check on one eink is enough.

Images of new sizes might need more testing.

The only point at all for a publisher using epub2 upload to KDP is to see Amazon's conversion. Which is why even when there was a more real preview file that could load on a real kindle we did test purchases of KF7 (mobi) and KF8 (azw3) for two different Kindles. Seems that is now more important if we change any recipe anywhere.

Wonder what @Hitch thinks?
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Well, I think that you've all forgotten the old days, all this Sturm und Drang.
  • Download zip.
  • unzip Zip
  • Open OEBPS
  • Grab OPF
  • Drag-drop onto KP3.
  • KABLAMMO, opens up the formatted eBook.
  • Export to: MOBI or AZK for previewing on real-live devices.
Right? Or did you lads already discuss this and I skimmed past it?

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It seems that Calibre is now more use to create "preview" files for real ink Kindles than Amazon and that download a preview file is now pointless, especially if your KDP upload is an epub2.

I always make and test on Kindle anyway* from epub2 using Calibre, before I upload epub2 to KDP

(* Unless there are no styles / links changes)
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