Paragraph separator - Epub and Kfx difference

kyrilson · 11-04-2021, 05:03 PM

So I have this issue where there's a difference between my epub and kfx files of the same book. See pics below. The kfx is handling it correctly, as it's separating the scene correctly as the ending of a scene and the beginning of a new scene with a blank line after "And fired.". The epub is not. Is there a way that I can fix this in the epub? Or is this just a failing of epub and I should just stick with kfx/azw3 (and hence kindle?) if I want to have a properly formatted ebook?

https://imgur.com/IqWk0wz
https://imgur.com/rLFbgBV

jhowell · 11-04-2021, 06:40 PM

More information would be helpful. Is one format derived from the other? What steps were involved? Does the EPUB show the same way in caliber’s viewer? Have you looked at the HTML/CSS in the calibre editor?

kyrilson · 11-04-2021, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhowell

More information would be helpful. Is one format derived from the other? What steps were involved? Does the EPUB show the same way in caliber’s viewer? Have you looked at the HTML/CSS in the calibre editor?

I downloaded the file as azw3 from Amazon, converted to kfx and epub from there.

I've never looked at the HTML/CSS. Not even sure how to. Willing to learn, though.

jhowell · 11-04-2021, 09:10 PM

You can open the EPUB in the calibre editor using the "Edit book" function and then try to find the content that is not rendering properly. But if you are not familiar with HTML and CSS you won't know what to look for.

Another option is to use the ScrambleEbook plugin to obfuscate the text of the EPUB so that you can post it here for others to examine without violating copyright.

Also knowing what book you are dealing with could allow others to check into it.

davidfor · 11-04-2021, 10:54 PM

@kyrilson: Looking at the images, with an epub you can easily achieve the same results as in the kfx. The scene break could have been lost at two places. Either the conversion is doing it. Or it is happening on the ereader.

I think the starting point is as @jhowell suggested, what does the calibre viewer show? If it matches the KFX layout, then is most likely the ereader or app you are using. Some override the styles completely, some have ways to override parts of it and others will try to respect what is in the book (with varying results). You would need to look at it to work out what it is doing.

If the viewer doesn't show the scene break, then it is probably the conversion. I do so few conversions that I have to play with them each time to get it right. It will be somewhere in the "Look & Feel" options, possibly on the "Layout" tab. I have a feeling I have produced similar results when changing options there.

DNSB · 11-05-2021, 11:50 PM

I've seen quite a few epubs extracted from KF8 using KindleUnpack that are strewn with media queries which quite a few epub renderers disregard which can do odd things to the displayed pages. A calibre KF8 to epub conversion seems to get rid of the media queries but the replacement code is often a mess. I've also seen that in a few KFX conversions but since KFX is a pseudo-compiled format, it's hard to say what the original code looked like.

11-04-2021, 05:03 PM	#1
kyrilson Fanatic Posts: 546 Karma: 13511506 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Cleveland, OH Device: Voyage, Oasis, Kobo Glo HD,iPad Pro, Sony 350 and T2	Paragraph separator - Epub and Kfx difference So I have this issue where there's a difference between my epub and kfx files of the same book. See pics below. The kfx is handling it correctly, as it's separating the scene correctly as the ending of a scene and the beginning of a new scene with a blank line after "And fired.". The epub is not. Is there a way that I can fix this in the epub? Or is this just a failing of epub and I should just stick with kfx/azw3 (and hence kindle?) if I want to have a properly formatted ebook? https://imgur.com/IqWk0wz https://imgur.com/rLFbgBV Attached Thumbnails Last edited by kyrilson; 11-04-2021 at 05:06 PM. Reason: Get images to work right

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11-04-2021, 06:40 PM	#2
jhowell Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,070 Karma: 91577715 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Charlottesville, VA Device: Kindles	More information would be helpful. Is one format derived from the other? What steps were involved? Does the EPUB show the same way in caliber’s viewer? Have you looked at the HTML/CSS in the calibre editor?

11-04-2021, 09:10 PM	#4
jhowell Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,070 Karma: 91577715 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Charlottesville, VA Device: Kindles	You can open the EPUB in the calibre editor using the "Edit book" function and then try to find the content that is not rendering properly. But if you are not familiar with HTML and CSS you won't know what to look for. Another option is to use the ScrambleEbook plugin to obfuscate the text of the EPUB so that you can post it here for others to examine without violating copyright. Also knowing what book you are dealing with could allow others to check into it.

11-04-2021, 10:54 PM	#5
davidfor Grand Sorcerer Posts: 24,905 Karma: 47303824 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Sydney, Australia Device: Kobo:Touch,Glo, AuraH2O, GloHD,AuraONE, ClaraHD, Libra H2O; tolinoepos	@kyrilson: Looking at the images, with an epub you can easily achieve the same results as in the kfx. The scene break could have been lost at two places. Either the conversion is doing it. Or it is happening on the ereader. I think the starting point is as @jhowell suggested, what does the calibre viewer show? If it matches the KFX layout, then is most likely the ereader or app you are using. Some override the styles completely, some have ways to override parts of it and others will try to respect what is in the book (with varying results). You would need to look at it to work out what it is doing. If the viewer doesn't show the scene break, then it is probably the conversion. I do so few conversions that I have to play with them each time to get it right. It will be somewhere in the "Look & Feel" options, possibly on the "Layout" tab. I have a feeling I have produced similar results when changing options there.

11-05-2021, 11:50 PM	#6
DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 46,168 Karma: 168983734 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Libra Colour, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	I've seen quite a few epubs extracted from KF8 using KindleUnpack that are strewn with media queries which quite a few epub renderers disregard which can do odd things to the displayed pages. A calibre KF8 to epub conversion seems to get rid of the media queries but the replacement code is often a mess. I've also seen that in a few KFX conversions but since KFX is a pseudo-compiled format, it's hard to say what the original code looked like.

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