Repeat indexing

Waylander · 11-15-2020, 04:38 PM

On my Paperwhite 4 I'm seeing that it keeps indexing books even though I have only added a few. The week before last it suddenly decided to start indexing all the books on the device, over 2,000. It had finally got to 157 at the beginning of today, but is now back to over 740. What on earth is going on?

haertig · 11-15-2020, 08:56 PM

I wonder if by having so many books on your Kindle, that this caused it to overrun storage somewhere. This type of aberrant behavior is usually a software bug due to a developer not realizing that a user would surpass some arbitrarily huge limit the developer had set. Once memory/storage gets overrun, it can get corrupted, so the Kindle might think it needs to start indexing all over again. And the second attempt will probably end as badly as the first.

I assume you are using Calibre, since most here do. If not, definitely look into it as your primary ebook organization. Then only put a few books on your Kindle rather than thousands. Swap a reasonable amount of books in and out as you finish some and need others to choose from. I generally keep one to two dozen "potential next reads" on my Kindle - so I have a choice, but not an overwhelming one. Calibre holds all the rest to be swapped in later, as the need arises. A Kindle would be very poor at navigating 2000 books, the user interface for that is just too poor IMHO. I believe the Kindle indexes every word in every book. Ugh - that's quite a task for such a low powered device (processor/ram) to manage. Plus, trying to index so much all at once (like yours appears to be doing now) will run down the battery quickly. If it dies part way through indexing, that's another potential pathway to corruption.

Waylander · 11-16-2020, 08:17 AM

That's really helpful. Thankyou. I'll delete most books off the device apart from series like politics and philosophy that are evergreen sources of reading material, which stands at around 550 books. If I want to read something else I can add as necessary. That should hopefully help the situation

Quoth · 11-16-2020, 09:48 AM

I had about 1600 books on my PW3, no problems.
Almost 1900 on the Kobo Libra.

It does that if files have been inconsistently deleted. Sometimes if Collections are synced as Kindle collections seem a bit broken right now.

Keep connected to laptop after software eject if you add books till indexing is done.

haertig · 11-16-2020, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoth

It does that if files have been inconsistently deleted.

How do you "inconsistently delete" a file?

Sirtel · 11-16-2020, 04:13 PM

I have over 3000 books on my 32GB Oasis. No indexing problems. I load and delete books from Calibre and don't use collections, so possibly that helps.

DNSB · 11-16-2020, 04:57 PM

Not really a Kindle user (my old Kindle is used for it's serial number

) but I have heard of issues with books that gets stuck when indexing. The quick fix was to start removing the last added books in blocks to find which one was triggering the issue.

JSWolf · 11-16-2020, 06:08 PM

The problem can be if any of these books have errors. That can cause indexing errors.

What you need to do is load your eBooks in batches of no more then 100 eBooks at a time. But you have to take note of what's already loaded and what you just loaded so you'll know what's going on in case you have to start over.

11-15-2020, 04:38 PM	#1
Waylander Guru Posts: 662 Karma: 2905052 Join Date: Oct 2013 Device: Kindle Paperwhite 5 16GB, Kindle Paperwhite 6, Kobo Clara,	Repeat indexing On my Paperwhite 4 I'm seeing that it keeps indexing books even though I have only added a few. The week before last it suddenly decided to start indexing all the books on the device, over 2,000. It had finally got to 157 at the beginning of today, but is now back to over 740. What on earth is going on?

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11-15-2020, 08:56 PM	#2
haertig Wizard Posts: 1,889 Karma: 31522252 Join Date: Sep 2017 Device: PW3, Fire HD8 Gen7, Moto G7, Sansa Clip v2, Ruizu X26	I wonder if by having so many books on your Kindle, that this caused it to overrun storage somewhere. This type of aberrant behavior is usually a software bug due to a developer not realizing that a user would surpass some arbitrarily huge limit the developer had set. Once memory/storage gets overrun, it can get corrupted, so the Kindle might think it needs to start indexing all over again. And the second attempt will probably end as badly as the first. I assume you are using Calibre, since most here do. If not, definitely look into it as your primary ebook organization. Then only put a few books on your Kindle rather than thousands. Swap a reasonable amount of books in and out as you finish some and need others to choose from. I generally keep one to two dozen "potential next reads" on my Kindle - so I have a choice, but not an overwhelming one. Calibre holds all the rest to be swapped in later, as the need arises. A Kindle would be very poor at navigating 2000 books, the user interface for that is just too poor IMHO. I believe the Kindle indexes every word in every book. Ugh - that's quite a task for such a low powered device (processor/ram) to manage. Plus, trying to index so much all at once (like yours appears to be doing now) will run down the battery quickly. If it dies part way through indexing, that's another potential pathway to corruption.

11-16-2020, 08:17 AM	#3
Waylander Guru Posts: 662 Karma: 2905052 Join Date: Oct 2013 Device: Kindle Paperwhite 5 16GB, Kindle Paperwhite 6, Kobo Clara,	That's really helpful. Thankyou. I'll delete most books off the device apart from series like politics and philosophy that are evergreen sources of reading material, which stands at around 550 books. If I want to read something else I can add as necessary. That should hopefully help the situation

11-16-2020, 09:48 AM	#4
Quoth Still reading Posts: 13,678 Karma: 103503695 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper	I had about 1600 books on my PW3, no problems. Almost 1900 on the Kobo Libra. It does that if files have been inconsistently deleted. Sometimes if Collections are synced as Kindle collections seem a bit broken right now. Keep connected to laptop after software eject if you add books till indexing is done.

11-16-2020, 04:13 PM	#6
Sirtel Grand Sorcerer Posts: 13,151 Karma: 237634549 Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Estonia Device: Kobo Sage & Libra 2	I have over 3000 books on my 32GB Oasis. No indexing problems. I load and delete books from Calibre and don't use collections, so possibly that helps.

11-16-2020, 04:57 PM	#7
DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 44,705 Karma: 168431851 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Libra Colour, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	Not really a Kindle user (my old Kindle is used for it's serial number ) but I have heard of issues with books that gets stuck when indexing. The quick fix was to start removing the last added books in blocks to find which one was triggering the issue.

11-16-2020, 06:08 PM	#8
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,053 Karma: 144284144 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	The problem can be if any of these books have errors. That can cause indexing errors. What you need to do is load your eBooks in batches of no more then 100 eBooks at a time. But you have to take note of what's already loaded and what you just loaded so you'll know what's going on in case you have to start over.

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