New line starts with a comma

andy9279 · 07-18-2020, 06:35 PM

I often edit books in Calibre to remove widows, orphans and space between paragraphs. With this one particular book I've noticed if a comma is set to end on a line, it gets shifted to the next line like this on my Kobo...

To get to the heart of a city [end of line]
‚ to learn its most subtle secrets [end of line]
‚ takes infinite tenderness‚ and [end of line]
patience sometimes to the point of despair. [end of line]

It doesn't happen with every comma, just when a line of text on the reader ends with a comma. This doesn't happen with periods or semicolons. The text is set to justified. I loaded the epub into Calibre and went to "Edit Book" to see if there was anything strange with the commas or formatting, but didn't see anything, no spaces before commas for example.

Anyone encountered this problem?

Thanks,
Andy H.

JSWolf · 07-18-2020, 07:19 PM

ePub or KePub? What firmware?

rashkae · 07-18-2020, 09:43 PM

Check if the book is set to some odd language.

andy9279 · 07-19-2020, 07:30 AM

This is an epub file. I am running 4.21.15015 on the Kobo. I cannot find a specific language set in the CSS file.

One strange thing I have noticed is if I open the epub on my computer on the Calibre ebook viewer and copy some text, paste it into Wordpad, then shrink down the Wordpad window size, I can never get a line of text there to END with a comma before it wraps to the next line.

For example I copy the following sentence...

You're no true Parisian, you do not know your city, if you haven't experienced its ghosts.

I can get it to wrap this way...

You're no true Parisian, you do not know your city, if [end]
you haven't experienced its ghosts.

Or shrink the window down further I can get this...

You're no true Parisian, you do not know your [end]
city, if you haven't experienced its ghosts.

But I cannot get it to end THIS way...

You're no true Parisian, you do not know your city, [end]
if you haven't experienced its ghosts.

Same in LibreOffice Writer. Neither of these will start a line with a comma as the kobo does, but it's like the word-comma-space-and-next word are all one unit.

This is the first time I've ever encountered this, I can live with it for this one book, but I'd like to know if someone knows what is going on, maybe I can fix it if I encounter it again.

Thanks!

davidfor · 07-19-2020, 10:42 AM

We need to see the book to try an guess what is going. Unfortunately, comparing it to the calibre viewer, or LibreOffice does little more than say "Some other renderer handles the text in a different way". Using the clipboard to past the text elsewhere doesn't help much either. A lot of formatting will be lost that way. And characters can be stripped or converted to ASCII or something similar.

After posting the above, I reread what you had posted. The above is usually valid, but, I was probably overcomplicating it. You probably have a non-breaking space after the comma.

JSWolf · 07-19-2020, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy9279

This is an epub file. I am running 4.21.15015 on the Kobo. I cannot find a specific language set in the CSS file.

The language is not set in the CSS. It is set in the OPF.

Code:

<dc:language>en-US</dc:language>

andy9279 · 07-19-2020, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The language is not set in the CSS. It is set in the OPF.

Code:

<dc:language>en-US</dc:language>

Thank you for that...I looked in the OPF file and it was set to "en" so I made it "en-US" but it didn't seem to fix it unfortunately.

andy9279 · 07-19-2020, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidfor

We need to see the book to try an guess what is going. Unfortunately, comparing it to the calibre viewer, or LibreOffice does little more than say "Some other renderer handles the text in a different way". Using the clipboard to past the text elsewhere doesn't help much either. A lot of formatting will be lost that way. And characters can be stripped or converted to ASCII or something similar.

After posting the above, I reread what you had posted. The above is usually valid, but, I was probably overcomplicating it. You probably have a non-breaking space after the comma.

THANK YOU! This fixed it. I was confused because I didn't see   anywhere in the code when I opened the book in Edit mode, and I don't have a ton of experience editing books. But I went ahead and just search/replaced all commas with , or simply comma-space would work too. It's a bit brute force perhaps, but it seems to have fixed the problem. Thank you for putting me on the right path.

Andy H.

07-18-2020, 06:35 PM	#1
andy9279 Member Posts: 13 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2013 Device: none	New line starts with a comma I often edit books in Calibre to remove widows, orphans and space between paragraphs. With this one particular book I've noticed if a comma is set to end on a line, it gets shifted to the next line like this on my Kobo... To get to the heart of a city [end of line] ‚ to learn its most subtle secrets [end of line] ‚ takes infinite tenderness‚ and [end of line] patience sometimes to the point of despair. [end of line] It doesn't happen with every comma, just when a line of text on the reader ends with a comma. This doesn't happen with periods or semicolons. The text is set to justified. I loaded the epub into Calibre and went to "Edit Book" to see if there was anything strange with the commas or formatting, but didn't see anything, no spaces before commas for example. Anyone encountered this problem? Thanks, Andy H.

07-19-2020, 10:42 AM	#5
davidfor Grand Sorcerer Posts: 24,905 Karma: 47303824 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Sydney, Australia Device: Kobo:Touch,Glo, AuraH2O, GloHD,AuraONE, ClaraHD, Libra H2O; tolinoepos	We need to see the book to try an guess what is going. Unfortunately, comparing it to the calibre viewer, or LibreOffice does little more than say "Some other renderer handles the text in a different way". Using the clipboard to past the text elsewhere doesn't help much either. A lot of formatting will be lost that way. And characters can be stripped or converted to ASCII or something similar. After posting the above, I reread what you had posted. The above is usually valid, but, I was probably overcomplicating it. You probably have a non-breaking space after the comma. Last edited by davidfor; 07-19-2020 at 10:47 AM.

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07-18-2020, 07:19 PM	#2
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,741 Karma: 145864619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	ePub or KePub? What firmware?

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rashkae Wizard Posts: 1,274 Karma: 5935030 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ontario, Canada Device: Kobo Aura HD	Check if the book is set to some odd language.

07-19-2020, 07:30 AM	#4
andy9279 Member Posts: 13 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2013 Device: none	This is an epub file. I am running 4.21.15015 on the Kobo. I cannot find a specific language set in the CSS file. One strange thing I have noticed is if I open the epub on my computer on the Calibre ebook viewer and copy some text, paste it into Wordpad, then shrink down the Wordpad window size, I can never get a line of text there to END with a comma before it wraps to the next line. For example I copy the following sentence... You're no true Parisian, you do not know your city, if you haven't experienced its ghosts. I can get it to wrap this way... You're no true Parisian, you do not know your city, if [end] you haven't experienced its ghosts. Or shrink the window down further I can get this... You're no true Parisian, you do not know your [end] city, if you haven't experienced its ghosts. But I cannot get it to end THIS way... You're no true Parisian, you do not know your city, [end] if you haven't experienced its ghosts. Same in LibreOffice Writer. Neither of these will start a line with a comma as the kobo does, but it's like the word-comma-space-and-next word are all one unit. This is the first time I've ever encountered this, I can live with it for this one book, but I'd like to know if someone knows what is going on, maybe I can fix it if I encounter it again. Thanks!

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